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282. Veerendra jonnalagadda |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 8:12:24 PM
Here What is meaning of shareholder category...
Does this mean Share holders of ICICI Bank Ltd or something else
281. VALUE INVESTOR |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 7:48:58 PM (900+ Posts, 600+ Likes)
IIFL Brokerage view on IPL IPO:
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ICICI Prudential Life Insurance Co. Ltd. (I-Pru Life) was the largest private sector life insurer in India by total premium in FY16 and AUM as of end of year March 31, 2016. During FY12-16, company’s retail weighted received premium (RWRP) witnessed a CAGR of 15.2% compared to a CAGR of 6.7% in the private sector and a decline of 2.1% pa in the overall Indian life insurance sector.
Nicely positioned to deliver industry leading growth
I-Pru Life has consistently generated the highest number of new business premiums on RWRP basis among all private sector life insurers in India every year since FY02. It has responded well to various regulatory changes since 2010 and its market share, on a RWRP basis, has increased from 5.9% in FY12 to 11.3% in FY16. It is poised to deliver high growth with its sharp focus on linked products and a diversified multi-channel distribution network. ULIPs comprised 82.6% of I-Pru Life’s retail APE in FY16 and has witnessed robust growth over the past couple of years.
Track record of delivering healthy returns for shareholders
I-Pru Life’s RoE has exceeded 30% for each year since FY12. Company has a strong capital position with a solvency ratio of 320.5% at June 30, 2016 compared to regulatory requirement of 150.0%. Company’s persistency ratios have been increasing in recent years and its expense ratio is one of the lowest among the private sector life insurers. I-Pru Life’s VNB grew by robust 52.6% in FY16 on account of improvement in persistency ratios and product mix. VNB margin also increased to 8.0% which partially led to EVOP increasing by 17% yoy in FY16.
280. Shivajee |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 6:57:13 PM (700+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
Hello Boarders and experienced smart guys...pls clarify following questions.

1. Has any one applied in the past IPOs in minor name?
(like RBL. DBL. SPApparel. and such recent IPOS).

2. Anybody got allotment in minor name?

3. Is it true that some IPOs don''t allow minors to apply? If so, what are the IPOS recently that did not allow.

4. I have online ASBA in my bank. I have registered for Electronic ASBA and applying. Can I register some other family members also like mother, kid, etc. from the same account?

THANKS IN ADVANCE SENIOR/EXPERIENCED MEMBERS

280.6. NEW TO IPO |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:58:00 AM
Than what are you doing to sell the same if trading not allowed for minors....Please advise...
280.7. Shivajee |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 12:01:31 PM (700+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
*****SPECIAL QUESTION TO SEPTA AND OTHERS WITH AUDITING KNOWLEDGE. ****

Thanks Mumbai Don and anurag, IPO Mastana, and dpcdsl.

Few more questions.

1. Say the family member is your father or mother and if you apply in their name "through your own ASBA". Then in case father gets share allotted and if you transfer it back to your name, will the father be liable for any tax? If he is not under tax slab before, and if you do around 20 IPO per year in father''s name, they will come under tax slab (20 x 15000 = 3 lakh). Can it be documented as gift or loan for tax purpose?..Please clarify on this.

People with auditing knowledge like Septa can answer this
279. Sims |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 5:28:32 PM
If I apply in the share holder category as well as the general category one lot each with the total no. of applications being 5 and presuming the ipo is oversubscribed then my name be considerd as total of 5 entities in the respective categories that I have applied in?
279.2. Ashish Khater |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 7:00:35 PM
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Yes
Jai Jinendra....Jai Shree Ram
279.3. Sims |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 8:51:10 PM
Does that mean that getting the name selected increases if we put more no. of applications? Ideally 5 applications of 1 lot each at cut off price for maximum probability of getting allotment.
278. Vajra |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 4:49:36 PM
With soon to be introduction of MPC, rate cuts by RBI are not far off. Bullish response by markets in coming months....
277. Dhruv Gandhi |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 4:10:29 PM
I have call to karvy computershare on phone no mention in this forum but it is state that it is wrong please any body give a correct number
276. Athar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 4:06:34 PM (200+ Posts)
I am 80 shares of icici bank.Any one please help me to apply in shareholders category.having demat acct with Relegate.plz give details.Thanks friends
275. unni kutti |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 3:38:31 PM
Dear frnz,

I''m holding icici bank shares i would like to apply for icici pru, i;m not having 3+1 trading A/c, i''m having bank A/c with State Bank of India (SBI) like to know how to apply, i have checked sbi website i can''t found suitable link to apply. so help me by sending appropriate link or guide me how to apply thru sbi online baking. at what time link will be provided by the bank kindly help me thanks in advance

unni
275.1. B.M.SURANA |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 3:56:04 PM
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YOU CAN''T APPLY FIRST OPEN ACCOUNT WITH ANY STOCK BROKER TRADING & DEMAT A/C
275.2. Ankur Goell |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 5:35:39 PM
Goto e services tab in SBI banking than click on demat& asba service. After that click on IPO equity. From there you can apply.
274. Rajasthan |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 2:55:25 PM
will there be a different form to subscribe in prefrential qouta shares for icici bank shareholders ? if yes then how to get rhese forms ? I am holding icici bank shares in 5 different DP accounts but still no such forms have been received by me.Anybody having icici bank shares who have received prefrential forms kindly guide
274.1. Chitchor |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 3:34:50 PM
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Yesterday I had posted a similar query and M/s GK and AnilKhimani were kind enough to guide me in this regard.

Please go to the BSE site and download the correct (shareholder) Form. So far, I also have NOT received the forms from ICICI Bank.

You may thank the above 2 gentlemen for this.
273. CLD |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 1:03:53 PM
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Frequently asked questions on IPOs by retail category
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Q1: what are different ways of filing application ?
A: You can do it either online through net banking or offline by submitting physical application

Q2: How many applications I can submit through online net banking from one bank account ?
A: You can submit maximum five applications from one saving bank account but it may vary from bank to bank with some banks having their own conditions. For applying more than 5 applications you need another account in the same bank or any other bank.

Q3: Can I apply from current account or over draft (OD) account ?
A: Most of the banks do not allow & do not process such applications.

Q4: Can I apply from sweep in/out saving bank account ?
A: You can apply but there should be clear cash balance equal to application amount available in the account. Most banks do not allow sweep facility for this purpose if the clear balance fall short of the application amount.

Q5: What is important to see from banking point of view at the time of applying ?
A: There should be a clear minimum cash balance equivalent to application amount in the bank. Also after applying through net banking, you should check that the required subscription amount has been “Lien Marked” or “Blocked” in your account which is done instantly.

Q6: Can I apply in the name of family members & friends from my saving bank account ?
A: Yes you can apply.

Q7: Can I apply more than one application in my name from different saving bank accounts in the same bank or different banks ?
A: No. If you do, then all your applications will be rejected.

Q8: What important things are to be seen in an application ?
A: It should be unique in three things as below. These should not get repeated in any way when taken together. However, if a compamy specifically allows it for say on “Share holder quota” then one can apply with the same set under specific conditions of the company.
1. Name of sole 1st applicant
2. PAN no.
3. DP ID + Client ID

Q9: If I have joint DP account whom I should consider for applicant ?
A: The application should be submitted for Ist name in the joint account with his/her corresponding details like PAN, DP etc.

Q10: Can I apply in the name of Minor or HUF ?
A: Yes you can apply as guardian of minor or Karta of HUF.

Q11: How many lots should I apply to get maximum allocation ?
A: If the issue is good, then it is bound to get over subscribed. In that case no matter how many lots you have applied, you will get maximum one lot that too in a lottery system. So you should not apply for more than one lot in a good issue.
However, in an IPO which may turn out to be good or bad, where subscription is less than or equal to one time in retail category, then you will get as many lots as you have applied subject to Rs. 2 lakh limit.
In this case it is however a high risk proposition. You may lose a large amount of money.
In nutshell, in order to be on safer side, it is advisable to always apply for one lot only in all cases.

Q12: I had applied full lots upto Rs. 2 lakh but was not allotted any shares. There seems to be manipulations. Is there any way say change to a particular bank or DP, applying 1st day 1st hour etc. to get allotment ?
A: No there is no such thing. As per new SEBI rules, whether you apply for one lot or full lots you stand equal chance to get only one lot in lottery system if retail category is subscribed more than one time. However, if it is subscribed less than one time, then you will get all the lots you have subscribed. So far lottery draw is concerned, it is drawn on a highly sophisticated superfast computer system where you cannot have any manipulations.

Q13: When I should expect allotment ?
A: After one week of closing date for subscription

Q14: When I should expect credit of shares in my DP ?
A: After 1 to 2 days of allotment

Q15: When I should expect release of funds in my bank ?
A: After 1 to 2 days of allotment

Q16: Will the funds get released automatically in my account ?
A: In most banks it is automatic however in some banks like HDFC, it has to be done yourself if you have applied online from their net banking.

Q17: When I should expect listing of shares ?
A: After 2 to 3 days of allotment

Q18: Upto what time I can apply for IPO ?
A: In online application it is 1 PM, 2PM or 3 PM. You have to check it for individual bank. Some banks also extend the time when there is huge subscription rush. In physical application through your broker, it can be 5 PM extendable even upto 11 PM. It is advisable not to wait for time extension. Some banks which allow upto 3.00 PM on the closing day are: Axis Bank, PNB, UBI

Q19: Should I submit three bids for one lot each at three different bid prices in one application ?
A: This will not be beneficial. You should submit one bid only at cut-off price.

Q20: If there is a discount, at what price should I subscribe ?
A: In online bidding, the system will take into account discount offer automatically when you make bid at cut-off. In physical application, you will be asked to write bid price, discount & net price. You have then to take net price into account for calculation purpose.

Q21: I have not marked cut-off but has given bid price at upper band. Will it matter in any way ?
A: No. It does not matter

Q22: Why should I bid at cut-off
A: Because your application will always be considered for allotment whatever will be the final allotment price

Q23: If the price band is reduced but I have already applied in original band & amount stands blocked already, then what should I do ?
A: You need not do anything. If you get the allotment, then excess amount will be refunded to you after the allotment.

Q24: How can I Know allotment status ?
A: You can get it from the website of the registrar of the issue.

Q25: How can I know the subscription figure at any time ?
A: Check “NSE bid details” of the issue from https://www.nseindia.com/products/content/equities/ipos/homepage_ipo.htm
Also check “BSE demand schedule” of the issue from http://www.bseindia.com/markets/PublicIssues/IPOIssues_new.aspx?expandable=8&id=1&Type=p
Add the two & you will get the figures at any time during the day. Total figures at the end of a day are however displayed directly on these sites at 5 PM.

Q26: What is meant by Kostak ?
A: Before an issue lists, brokers & individuals purchase the application from investors at a price which is called Kostak. Application is sold at Kostak irrespective of whether or not shares get allotted to that application. The transaction in this case is made at any time.

Q27: What is meant by GMP ?
A: Grey market premium (GMP) is the amount per share which an investor get from the broker or individual who buy them before listing of the shares which might get allotted in his application. The transaction in this case is made only after shares are allotted.

Q:28 My allotment status says “Application not found” What must have gone wrong.
A: In bidding by net banking, the data you have entered do not match with your DP account details in at least Name, PAN & DP ID + Client ID. Remember banks do not verify these details.
In physical submission, the banks may not have processed your application on reasons given earlier as above. Banks also do not process the application if there is signature mismatch in ASBA signature column as per their records. It may also happen that your broker has not submitted your application to the bank.

Q:29 Should I apply in SME IPO
A: It is advisable not to apply in SME IPOs since most of them are very high risk stocks. Most of these stocks are not tradable and more than 50% are not traded at all after some months of listing even at huge discounts. These stocks are also not traded on platforms of most of the brokers as such check with your broker before investing if he can sell the shares if you get allotment. Minimum investment is Rs. One lakh in SME IPOs. Many get stuck up since there are no buyers for most of these stocks.

Q:30 What information should I post on this platform
A: Post only that information which is useful to others. Posting information say, I am Alloted 2 lots etc., is not anybody’s concern as such should not be posted. You can however post any query regarding your doubts etc. All forecasts about listing price is a wild guess, as such, these should not be posted.

Q:31 Should you post your analysis before price band is announced.
A: Price band is the most important thing in the issue as such it is no use to make any analysis before price band is officially announced. Making an analysis before price band announcement is a waist of time & energy

Q:32 I have submitted the application but I have not received SMS / E-mail from NSE / BSE.
A: You cannot do anything after issue is closed. The only surety that your application is through is to check your bank account. If the amount is “Lien Marked” or “Blocked” in the bank then the application is through otherwise not. Remember, it takes upto 3 working days for banks to block the amount if you have submitted physical application.
273.3. Prud Invest |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 6:41:51 PM
Thank you CLD for the above well explained information.
273.4. Saptus |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 9:20:41 PM
We should all thank CLD sir for the excellent compilation and upgradation. The administrator may consider keeping this info. on their website as a read yreckoner.
272. CLD |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:57:37 PM
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I have updated FAQs on IPOs incorporating feedback from members
It will be useful to keep a soft or hard copy of these FAQs
Further feedback is welcomed
FAQs follows
272.4. jraj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 11:01:43 AM
Very nice attempt Sir !!
Can you plz elaborate on the modalities of applying under HNI catagory .
272.5. abhishek sadh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 11:59:34 PM
What is the cut off date of owning icici bank shares to apply under shareholders category in ipru ipo ???
271. Vaibhav |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:53:40 PM
Whenever a company with new line of business comes for IPO, people say it''s highly priced or overpriced. But Soon the company make new high almost everyday, look at Dr. Lal, Advance Enzymes, Teamlease.......
This is no risk in applying in this IPO as company has no negative side except high price.
270. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:53:06 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
INSURANCE IS THE NEW REAL ESTATE AND INFRA IPO GOOD TO START THEN DISASTER APPLY AS A FLIPPER

IMO they should have come at price band of Rs 270. Also we need to understand ICICI prudential major premium comes from ULIPS which in actual term which has less margin or i would say adverse margin. ULIPs constitute around 80 per cent of the total first premium income with change in rule companies with traditional insurance policy will benefit.


ULIPS policy is beneficial to the insurance taker however traditional insurance policy is better for insurance company. LIC majority of it policy is the traditional insurance policy.

However being the first insurance company listing will be strong IMO I am going to apply and only for short term gain.

IMO THIS IS NEW REAL ESTATE AND INFRA IPO WHEN IT CAME WITH VERY VERY LOFTY PREMIUM AND GAVE VERY GOOD RETURN HOWEVER LONG RUN IT TURN A BIG DISASTER.

As things stand i am going apply this only for listing gain will only consider it a portfolio stock after the dust is settles
270.1. Akshay More |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 5:00:15 PM
Would like to correct u on this. ULIP policies are good for insurance companies as all risk borne by policyholders. Plus profitability high in ULIPS as compared to traditional plans
270.2. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 12:30:18 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
i beg to differ ULIP was good however with IRDIA change in rule it is not beneficial..... any more to insurance company IRDAI, has now said that policyholders will be able to revive unit-linked insurance plans (ULIPs) even two years after the policy has lapsed.
The earlier regulation insisted on payment within 90-days, following which the ULIP would lapse. The new regulation makes ULIPs on par with traditional plans, which have always enjoyed a two-year grace period for payment. Lapsed policies are a huge cost and concern for both insurers and policyholders however policyholder has the option or grace of two year so now insurance company have to carry this.


So insurance company made a good profit from lapsed ULIPs with increase this grace from 90 days to 2 years it will hit insurance bottom line

With regards to profitability it is questionable given the return it has given against other scheme like MF etc





269. P Badala |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:13:47 PM
This post is written by Shiv Kukreja, who is a Certified Financial Planner and runs a financial planning firm, Ojas Capital in Delhi/NCR. He can be reached at skukreja@investitude.co.in
This IPO seems steeply overpriced to me. Presently, it is valuing ICICI Life at 29 times based on its FY 2016 earnings. With ICICI Life showing a very dismal growth in its profits in the last 4-5 years, buying its shares at 29 times would be highly unjustifiable.
ICICI Life is a JV between ICICI Bank, holding 67.52% stake and Prudential Corp. Holdings Ltd. (PCHL), holding 25.83% stake. ICICI Bank sold its 4% stake in ICICI Life to Wipro Chairman Azim Premji’s Hasham Traders on November 27, 2015 at Rs. 226.34 per share. Can anybody explain me what has changed in the last 9-10 months to make ICICI Bank seek a 47.57% premium from the general public and other investors?
ICICI Bank reported a profit after tax (PAT) of Rs. 101.80 billion in FY 2015-16 and Rs. 122.47 billion in FY 2014-15. On the other hand, ICICI Life reported PAT of 16.53 billion in FY 2015-16 and Rs. 16.40 billion in FY 2014-15. At Rs. 334 a share, ICICI Life would be valued at Rs. 47,957 crore and that makes ICICI Bank’s 67.52% stake worth Rs. 32,381 crore. However, at Rs. 267.35 a share, ICICI Bank itself is valued at Rs. 1,55,533 crore. Interestingly, ICICI Bank had a market cap of Rs. 1,05,153 crore when it made its 52-week low early this year on February 26.
Comparing these financials and giving it a consideration that ICICI Bank is a much bigger company having many other profitable subsidiaries other than ICICI Life, I find no justification for me to assign such a steep valuation to ICICI Life. I would give this issue a miss and advise my clients as well to avoid it.
269.1. Saashy |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:29:08 PM
Good post that put one side of view well and towards realistic expectation setting.
But there is one other side as well, of people who believe positives are more than the negatives - both in the short term as well as in the long run. I belong to this segment and hope that any contra views will help probability of allocation !
My argument would be that this IPO will help re rating of ICICI Bank valuation itself rather than assuming that ICICI Prudential is over valued.
269.2. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:48:32 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
IMO they should have come at price band of Rs 270. Also we need to understand ICICI prudential major premium comes from ULIPS which in actual term which has less margin or i would say adverse margin. ULIPs constitute around 80 per cent of the total first premium income with change in rule companies with traditional insurance policy will benefit.


ULIPS policy is beneficial to the insurance taker however traditional insurance policy is better for insurance company. LIC majority of it policy is the traditional insurance policy.

However being the first insurance company listing will be strong IMO I am going to apply and only for short term gain.

IMO THIS IS NEW REAL ESTATE AND INFRA IPO WHEN IT CAME WITH VERY VERY LOFTY PREMIUM AND GAVE VERY GOOD RETURN HOWEVER LONG RUN IT TURN A BIG DISASTER.

As things stand i am going apply this only for listing gain will only consider it a portfolio stock after the dust is settles
268. anand thakkar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:02:50 PM
What is current GMP of Icici prudential??
Can anyone tell me sincerely???
I can understand no one can say perfectly as it is market however can anyone tell me approximately GMP on this basis I will decide that should I sucscribe or not??
Please reply me rapidly.
268.1. Braj Kishor |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:12:58 PM
icici kostak is 1000 and cnf share is 25 at jaipur
267. Singhvk |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 11:59:51 AM
please guide,should i apply for icici ipo for listing gain?
267.1. HKG |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 12:11:12 PM
Apply
266. Jain nitesh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 10:43:34 AM
Subscribe Icici with target of 400 very Good buying seen in grey MKT after touching 17 premium now commands 25 to 26 . invest with full capacity . anchor investor category saw demand of 45000 against availability of 1800 cr only that same speed will be seen in Qib portion Hni funding booking saw very very Good demand may be touch 75000 cr .
265. seenuipo |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 10:06:48 AM (200+ Posts)

Total Revenue in last five fiscal years is 18,122.4,      16,775.5,      16,607.1,      21,910.5,      18,244.6. there is no much improvement in yoy growth in sales. Is it possible to churn the intrest of market participants with out any improvement in sales which is the key driver the market.
264. HKG |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 9:48:50 AM
ICICI Prud Life is good Insurance Company. Shares under Anchor Category subscribed by Big Fund / FII.
In HNI category all broking companies / NBFC / Banks financed as well as RBL Bank. In RBL Bank issue HNI infused more than Rs. 36000 Crores and shares listed with good premium.
In ICICI, HNI category will be subscribed more than 40 times and funded approx. Rs.40000 Crores. Hope it will also list on fantastic premium.
263. Bigbull |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 7:59:33 AM
This IPO is overpriced but it will give fabulous return on listing. Hold it for 15-20 days. Target 400+.Sell & book profits at this price. About 80 % revenue of ICICI life comes from selling ULIP products. ULIP is highest profitable product of insurance companies.But it is bad product for ULIP investor. Company generate big profit by selling this product to poor public of India.