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ICICI Prudential Life Insurance Company Ltd IPO Message Board (Page 64)

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302. v m kumar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:27:07 AM
सभी को सुबहा की नमस्कार ,कोई बंधु ये बताये की जीन लोगो के पास ICICI के शेयर है उनको ICICI Pru. Life के शेयर मिलेगे .
301. Mann Ki Baat |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:25:01 AM
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Option to apply under shareholders category is not available in Bank of Baroda Online ASBA

Is everyone applying in offline mode under shareholders category or your bank has option to apply online under both category?
300. abhishek sadh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:23:33 AM
Please clarify under shareholder category . What is the cutoff date of being a shareholder of icici bank? Is there any particular date when I must have had icici bank shares in my demat account to be eligible for this ipo shareholder category?? Can I buy icici bank today and apply in shareholder category??
300.1. Mann Ki Baat |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:27:24 AM
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Cut off date was 07th September, 2016

No benefit if you buy today
300.2. Shashank Shekhar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 20, 2016 10:16:56 AM
Hello, I have bought ICICI Bank shares on 16th September 2016, Friday. I tried to browse through RHP (Red Herring Prospectus) but couldn''t find any reference that until this date if you buy you would be considered a ICICI Bank Shareholder. It just says for ICICI Bank Shareholder at all places.
I bought ICICI Bank Shares on 16th September 2016. If the shares get credited to my account in T+2 days (21 September) the date when bid closes.
Considering Finalisation of Basis of Allotment: On or about September 26, 2016

Will i be considered as a valid applicant if i apply in ICICI Bank Shareholder Category? Please help.
299. quality |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:22:51 AM
BREAKING NEWS=4.08 lakh share apply in first 10 minutes.source ET APP NEWS SECTION....
298. AnilKhilani |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:16:48 AM
Gm to all. There is a separate link given on IPO application page for share holders and general. So to issue accordingly...
297. Carn Mohan |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:06:24 AM
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Very good IPO must apply
296. NRI Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 10:00:58 AM
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IMO one should AVOID this IPO due to high offer price around 29 P/E.

Either AVOID this IPO and buy from Secondary market around 260- 280 levels only...

334 is way to high price for this company... AVOID this issue..
295. VALUE INVESTOR |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 8:59:42 AM (900+ Posts, 600+ Likes)
Sp tulsian take on IPL IPO:
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https://www.sptulsian.com/free_zone/new_issues_analysis

New issue (IPO) Analysis:
Bada naam, bada daam
ICICI Prudential Life Insurance is entering the primary market on Monday 19th September 2016, with an offer for sale (OFS) of upto 18.13 crore equity shares of Rs. 10 each, in the price band of Rs. 300 to Rs. 334 per share. Entire OFS is by promoter ICICI Bank, currently holding 67.52% stake, who’s holding will shrink to 54.89% post issue. Representing 12.63% of the post issue paid-up capital, OFS will raise Rs. 5,440 crore and Rs. 6,057 crore at the lower and upper price band respectively and will close on Wednesday 21st September.

The company has announced a wide price band of 11%, unlike the recent trend of pricing issues in a very narrow price band. All recent IPOs such as L&T Technology Services, RBL Bank, Dilip Buildcon, L&T Infotech, Advanced Enzymes, Quess Corp had price bands of about 2%. Does such a wide price band indicate lack of confidence on the part of the management (given the enormous issue size) or the merchant bankers (learnings from Yes Bank’s USD 1 bn QIP fiasco), so as to keep all options open before them?

ICICI Bank’s 67.52% subsidiary, along with foreign JV partner - UK’s Prudential Corp (holding 25.83%), ICICI Prudential Life Insurance is India’s largest private sector life insurer, with assets under management (AUM) of Rs. 1.09 lakh crore. For Q1FY17, company enjoyed 11.2% market share among all insurance companies and 23.3% share among private life insurers in India. It has a strong capital position with solvency ratio of 320.5% (30-6-16), vis-à-vis IRDAI-prescribed control level of 150%.

While premium earned (net of service tax) rose 25% YoY to Rs. 18,999 in FY16, income from investments slipped drastically, to Rs. 1,208 crore in FY16, vis-à-vis FY15’s Rs. 18,739 crore, on account of decrease in investment income of unit-linked portfolio. Thus, FY16 net profit remained static YoY, at Rs. 1,653 crore, versus Rs. 1,640 crore earned in FY15, yielding an EPS of Rs. 11.54. Company has consistently earned RoE of over 30% coupled with low expense ratio. However, its bottomline has remained flat over the years – FY13 Rs. 1,515 crore, FY14 Rs. 1,561 crore, FY15 Rs. 1,640 crore, FY16 Rs. 1,653 crore

For Q1FY17, although Rs. 3,509 crore was premium earned and income from investments rose to Rs. 5,356 crore, net profit of Rs. 405 crore has been reported, which is roughly one fourth of FY16 net profit. Thus, not much improvement is seen in the bottomline in the current fiscal as well. Q1FY17 EPS of Rs. 2.82 is roughly 25% of FY16 EPS of Rs.11.54, implying that despite topline growth, company’s bottomline has been flat, as higher premium does not necessarily translate into higher profits for insurance company.

As on 30-06-2016, company’s equity stood at Rs. 1,433 crore while net worth was at Rs. 5,743 crore, leading to book value of Rs. 40 per share. At Rs. 334, ICICI Bank is selling shares at PE multiples of 29x for FY16 and 28x for FY17E and PBV of 8.4x as of 30-6-16 and 6.8x for FY17E.

At the lower and upper end of the price band, ICICI Prudential Life will have a market cap of Rs. 43,060 crore and Rs. 47,940 crore, respectively. A popular parameter to value insurance companies is the Embedded Value (EV), which takes into account value of in-force business, which stood at Rs. 13,939 crore (31-3-16) for this company. This translates into a price/ EV multiple of 3.1x and 3.4x, on lower and upper end respectively, on historic basis.

On 31st December 2015 and 31st March 2016, in secondary transactions, ICICI Bank had sold 4% and 2% stake in the company to Premji Invest and Temasek respectively, at a price of Rs. 226.34 per share, implying price/ EV multiple of 2.4x (based on EV of Rs. 13,822 crore, as of 31-3-15).

At the upper end of Rs. 334, shares in the current IPO are being issued at a 48% premium to last transaction price, despite profitability remaining stagnant. Even at the lower end of Rs. 300, a premium of 33% in less than 9 months’ time, when both seller (ICICI Bank) and nature of sale (secondary) are the same, is not justified, when earnings have not improved. Valuation multiple has also surged by 45% - price / EV multiple of 2.4x then, to 3.4x now, which is seen quite expensive.

In August 2016, merger of HDFC Life-Max Life was announced to create the largest private life insurer in India, with combined EV of Rs. 15,822 crore and combined AUM of over Rs. 1.1 lakh crore. This transaction, strategic in nature, is estimated to have been undertaken at a price/EV multiple of 3.3x (transaction value not in public domain as both entities are not directly listed). Another unlisted peer, SBI Life, had EV of Rs. 12,999 crore (31-3-16) and based on its estimated valuation of Rs. 25,000 crore, the implied multiple is 1.9x.

Besides higher multiple in a public market offering, that too in the primary market, ICICI Prudential Life’s post over-run new business premium (NBP) margins have been lower than HDFC Life/Max Life and SBI Life, leading to lower return and margins. Its share of protection business (<3% of premiums) is also lower than HDFC Life’s 5-6% of premiums, so a relatively low proportion of premium is related to the protection business, again leading to lower margins. Besides, ICICI has the highest proportion of revenue coming from unit-linked insurance plans (ULIPs), accounting for 82% of new business premium. Having high mix of equity (50%+), ULIPs, as a product, are more cyclical in terms of growth/ persistency.

Despite strong brand and pedigree, the IPO seems to be fully priced, leaving little-to-no money on the table for prospective investors. Moreover, flat bottomline growth, 48% premium to last concluded transaction less than 9 months ago coupled with risks to margins from high exposure to ULIPS and lower proportion of protection business remain.

Citing expensive valuations, one can skip this maiden life insurance IPO in the history of Indian stock markets!
294. TheMarketxpress.blogspot |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 8:51:22 AM
any details abt icicipru GMP latest ???
293. nmg |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 8:49:59 AM
For online application 2 options are available to bid:

1. ICICI Bank Shareholder
2. General Investors

You can apply individually in both the categories, just keep your total value below 2LK.
292. Chem cho |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 7:38:01 AM
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PRICE is to high , as per the brokers at BSE , they feel it should be brought down to Rs 300 ,
so be careful before applying , It is an big issue and there will be more sellers than buyers every time to absorb such an big issue will take time

WAIT FOR THE QIB AND HNI APPLICATIONS AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER TO APPLY

I WILL ONLY CONSIDER BUYING AT RS280 - 300 AFTER LISTING
292.1. ARATII |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 7:44:45 AM
I feel that it is big issue and chance for listing gains is less

issue after listing will be available at rs 250 wait and watch
292.2. AMRISHIPO |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 7:48:35 AM
PRICE IS TO HIGH

PL CHECK THE FIGURE BEFORE APPLYING

I AGRRE WITH CHEMCHO ADVICE
291. Sneh Lata Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 7:35:43 AM
Thanks for the link. Please also tell where these application are to be submitted along with demand draft.
291.1. BIPEEN GUPTA |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 8:30:08 AM
in stead of submitting application , please apply online which is lot easier .may take not more than few minutes. if you have not online availability , it can be done thru mobile network too..
290. Sneh Lata Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 7:02:05 AM
I am not getting the right form. Can you give me the exect sigt for dowloading the right form as i could not trace it on BSE sigt. Can you provide the same in Karnal which is in NCR.
290.1. Jain vivek |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 7:04:35 AM
https://ibbs.bseindia.com/asbaforms/BlankForm.aspx?ipo=1178
290.2. Jain vivek |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 7:04:37 AM
https://ibbs.bseindia.com/asbaforms/BlankForm.aspx?ipo=1178
289. nimish songara |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 7:00:34 AM
Dear, KP Sir,
I has buy 1000 BS LIMITED for 21 Ruppes. What are you doing now? Hold ,shell, ya another share buy. Please give answer KP sir. aaj kon sa share buy karna chaya.. jo mara loss kam kar shaka
288. gundu anna |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 6:54:13 AM (500+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
We are observing retail frenzy for IPOs and issuers are taking advantage of it. DiscL; will apply icicci pru one lot each in shareholder and normal retail catogory
287. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 12:40:17 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Big broker house call on this IPO

Nomura

ICICI Prudential Life’s IPO price of Rs 300-334 per share implies a valuation of Rs 43,000-48,000 crore. On March-18 enterprise value (EV), this implies a valuation of 2.45-2.73 times which is a 20-30 per cent discount to the multiple of HDFC+ Max Life combined. Excluding excess capital (solvency at 200 per cent), ICICI Pru Life’s EV multiple is 2.9-3.2 times Mar-18 EV. This implies a 10-20% discount to the EV multiple for HDFC + Max combined.

Kotak Institutional Equities

ICICI Prudential Life is one of the most levered plays on the increase in financial savings. We expect the company to deliver high (20 per cent) APE (annualised premium equivalent) growth in the medium-term even as its return on EV will likely remain moderate at about 16 per cent. Shift to higher margin (protection) business and higher investment variance can provide upside though constrained by high overruns and limited scope of upside on the persistency experience.

Anand Rathi

The IPO offers a good investment opportunity in a sector that is opening up for retail participation. Along with the growth prospects of the life insurance industry in India, ICICI Pru''s strong brand, leadership among the private life insurance players, and cost efficiency make the issue attractive even though it demands premium valuation.

Quant

The valuation is also reasonable considering recent merger of Max life with HDFC life has quoted the value for HDFC Life Insurance at Rs 47,000 crore with market share of 7.6 per cent against ICICI Prudential Life’s share of 11.3 per cent. Considering healthy business momentum, rising penet
286. CLD |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 11:00:19 PM
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If you are holding ICICI bank shares then you can apply in share holder category as well as general category with in the overall limit of 2 lakh. If you are finding difficulty in getting form for share holder category then let me know. I can arrange it provided you are from Delhi/NCR.
286.1. Sims |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 12:31:54 AM
I hope I can apply online on ICICI savings a/c by filling up the DP id and client id in the online form, even if It is not a 3 in 1 account. My broker is presently not allowing online form submission for IPO because it is not asba supported.
285. goutam |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 10:30:06 PM
Is Pnb houseing launching ipo...... Any news
284. Silapathar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 10:01:43 PM
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Apply only at lower price band, PE multiple of 29. Highly overpriced and return on net worth decreasing every year - 37.4% in 2014 to 31.2% in 2016. EPS almost same in 2015 and 2016, no growth.
284.2. Silapathar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 10:58:45 PM
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Well, if majority of retail applications are price bids , it makes sense. Since it is such a big range and over priced, better to apply in lower band.
284.3. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 19, 2016 12:45:41 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
never ever apply on lower price band cut off is the best option if u think price is high then do not apply but never apply on bid price waste of time and money IMO
283. Jain nitesh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 18, 2016 8:55:43 PM
I respect shri S p tulsiyan but in IPO his advise not go well in this IPO tulsiyanji is negative in this IPO but as per grey MKT movement and big volume icici will see very Good listing