Sounds good! But the real ''nation builders'' were the GIC, NIA,NMDC,NFL investors...HAL investors still have some way to go before snatching the honor away from them........This HAL ''right now'' looks Okay to be true.
But times are such that we have Anil Ambani''s ''Reliance Defence'' securing a huge Rafale contract. Something which reminds one of MTNL. A company that once had a massive, massive economic moat. But then Anil Ambani''s Reliance communications came out of nowhere and rose to the glory while MTNL got perished.
It would very interesting for the PSU investors to know what exactly caused that to happen...What actions led to MTNL''s historic woebegone debacle....
LIC is a king maker, it has hugely build it''s corpus all these years, infact it has just recently started to diversifying in equity (just a tip of it''s iceberg), we can also not claim "that it is public money", we should say "that public has decided to invest in LIC service". Again comparing UTI with LIC is like comparing a peanut with an apple. Nevertheless HAL is definitely a good bet, we can treat it as distance cousin (good one) of the Mighty L&T when comes to Defence (and intern Nation Building).
Hello All, For any government IPO''s wait till they are listed on NSE/BSE. No PSU companies has ever given investor their returns except few; however, they are not phenomenal. Keep your money and try for ICICI or Sandhar. Give HAL, MDNL a pass until they are listed.
Jaitley says / What PChidu had said Jab LIC ka ho sath to fikar ki kya baat ?
Havent seen or bothered seeing any valuation figures I wish class interest litigations should be legal in India so lic policy holders could file one against govt babus and lic babus .. sadly netas will escape !!
LIC never fails to find tremendous hidden value in every single offering by this promoter.....
Looking at the pattern, I don''t think.LIC needs an expert to manage their investments anymore .......They should simply hand over their trading account password to these promoters so that they can subscribe to their own offerings without bothering LIC ...
One or two bad decisions could be overlooked..But this has now become a everyday story...It''s high time the LIC act be amended...
If LIC is not allowed to participate, all these IPOs could be priced sanely... But the change won''t come about unless the investors retaliate by ''Not applying'' and refuse to feel betrayed like they did after NIA or GIC...
In 1990s UTI do the same business as now LIC doing. UTI launch a master plus scheme and burn the wealth of retail investors. Same fate LIC can give the all policy holders by subscribing high PE value govt. Companies.
Agree @Anarchist. The purpose of disinvestment is lost if LIC. The government needs fresh money from the sale. Right now, it''s more of LIC giving them interest-free loans from public money.
IAF has “firmly committed” to 123 Tejas jets at present, which will come at a cost of over Rs 75,000 crore if both developmental and production costs are taken into account. But it wants the next 201 Tejas Mark-II jets to be “entirely new fighters” with much better avionics and radars, enhanced fuel and weapons carrying capacity, and more powerful engines, say top sources.
The contract for 83 Tejas Mark-1A fighters, which will cost around 50,000 crores, is in the process of being finalized now. These jets will have 43 “improvements” to improve maintainability, AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar to replace existing mechanically-steered radar, mid-air refuelling capability, long-range BVR (beyond visual range) missiles and advanced electronic warfare to jam enemy radars and missiles. The delivery of these 83 jets is slated to begin in 2023.
BDL,HAL,ISRO,DRDO &MANY MORE which co. Supply row materials Mdnl Complex metal used in aircraft,missiles,rockets,torpidos and spacecraft Only company in India producers these types of metals Some examples Titanium Processed aluminum Carbon still One more thing Urenium Only mdnl can hold this(imo)
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Simple Logic based on which I am applying. Recession proof industry. Default partner for all offsets, huge order book, can run for years without a new order. Made in India or No Make in India we will buy aircraft some will be manufactured here (doing it for 60 years why will it change?). Like MRF buy for minimum 3 year horizon and forget about it, any horizon that is less just skip this IPO its not for short term.
Every PSU is subsequently disinvested every year , which will bring down its price . MRF has not increased supply of shares in market and for last 4 decades , it is just Rs 4 crore . Never invest in PSU shares because government will keep on disinvesting whenever the price rises slightly . SAIL , NTPC, Coal India and so many PSUs are examples for this .
Financials are very good but there are some downsides: > Heavy dependence on defence contracts (Indian Defence Services contributed 93 percent to FY17 sales);
> Delay in project implementation (owing to regulatory approvals/technology transfer);
> As the defence contracts are not always fully funded at inception and are subject to termination, inability of HAL to fund such contracts at the time of inception or contract termination could have a material adverse effect;
> The Government’s significant influence over the functioning may restrict HAL''s ability to manage its business;
> Overhang of losses in certain joint ventures and subsidiaries;
> Unfavourable outcome of an ongoing dispute with the MoD of Ecuador relating to the termination of helicopters supply contract may adversely affect HAL’s overseas revenue;
> Company may be adversely affected by sanctions on Russia, as many of the projects are done through transfer of technology from Russian OEMs, and company rely on Russian suppliers for support of these aircraft.
I was expecting some discount for GIC, NIA, SBI Life shareholders for the sacrifices they have made out of never ending want of helping these promoters with their nation building excercises..