It might be turning from (L)ife (I)nsurance (C)orporation to (L)oser (I)vestments (C)orporation... with claim settlement ration down from over 90% to 9%... Jai Ho! Jet Lee action flick...
I remember when LIC bail out IOC offer for sale. They never sold till date. LIC got multiple returns from IOC because since then, IOC gave 2 bonus. So one share of IOC became 4 shares in 2 bonus issues. Same is going to happen with HAL.
The lover and saviour of Indian crown jewels itself in trouble.
PSU bets give LIC a Rs 20,000 crore headache as stocks slide up to 43% https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/stocks/news/psu-bets-give-lic-a-rs-20000-crore-headache-as-stocks-slide-up-to-43/articleshow/63410479.cms
Other than a political party, did anyone or the PSUs themselves gained anything from these exorbitantly priced new issues................................think and act accordingly.
I am unable to understand why everyone is cursing LIC.
IMO LIC never was and never will be the loser. LIC has very low cost capital and huge investible corpus and hence has the ability to hold stocks almost forever. There will definitely be some time in future when the stock gives some return which will definitely be more than what deposits and other financial instruments can CURRENTLY give to LIC. Also with very large stock holding in these stocks, LIC has the ability to control stock price to some extent.
Problem is not for LIC but for lesser mortals like Retail investors who have very limited liquidity and ability to hold.
Arrival of private insurers may change LIC position and advantage in the future but there is still a long time before that happens.
Dear Mr Cool LIC is not having its own money, Its all investor's money and LIC is playing with that money. It is in a better position to declare higher dividend / Bonus but instead using this moneu to appease Govt. Same thing now started by Mutual funds also.
LIC is not a public company yet and policy holders are not investors in LIC. LIC is just a service provider for policy holder nothing beyond that. Public sector companies are known to hoard cash instead of giving it to share holders. Policy Dividend declaration is discretionary not committed. Even shares dividend payment are also discretionary and many private companies also do not give much dividend even when they have trucks load of cash.
LIC is not trying to appease anyone but they do not have any option but to follow orders/dictats and we all know where orders come from. It is the responsibility of order giver to ensure that resources of PSU are not misused but as long as electorate can be fooled to remain in power.....RESPONSIBILITY will just remain a word
Please check out Jagmon Mundhra Scam .. Subtitue, Mundhra with GOI. This is the present state of UTI because for last 10 yrs every ipo/fpo of govt cos have given investors losses ,, Only difference is policyholders will be shocked when they get the surrender value or maturity value in 2 or 3 decades and it can be run like a mega ponzi scheme till its balance sheet and returns performance are not out in public.
UTI, LIC and GIC made an investment of Rs 945 crore at Rs 385 in RIL. UTI's investment alone aggregated Rs 775 crore, with a lock-in of five years, at above mkt prices with a 5yr lockin The UTI chairman then was Mr S.A. Dave.FM was MM Singh.
UTI and UTI 64 small investors were ruined by similar behavior of prev govts .. it was not just k10 duds like hfcl n silverline n satyams but uti took a big valuation hit due to its PSU portfolio n Reliance investment considering the tactics and duplicate shares mess
Although the Central Bureau of Investigation, which probed the case in 1994-95, sought the approval of the Government to prosecute some top UTI officials, the Finance Ministry did not agree. This was during the tenure of Dr Manmohan Singh. Subsequently, the agency pursued the case again in 1997, but was denied permission to take further action against the officials.
I understand the notion of anything unfavourable which happen before 2014 was because of the govt but anything unfavourable which happend 2014 and after is with the company but I am not going into the discussion this govt vs that govt.
Only thing which I am saying is real power of decision making in PSU doesn't rest with the company but somewhere else and you know where it is. Hence blaming LIC will not help. Blame (responsibility) should be where the power is.
Also, there is difference between UTI and LIC. UTI is mostly for investing but LIC is for service. Expectation from UTI was higher returns but with LIC is affordable insurance service.
I am not defending LIC and have no love for it but I am saying the LIC itself is not the culprit. I am closing my comments in this regard. Please feel free to add.
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March 21, 2018 1:14:03 PM
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LIC offer market based policies, That money should be invested properly. i invested 60000 (20000x3 ) in market based Policy 8 yr back now that money is 73000. Same time i invested 5000 in SBI mutual fund and that money is now 22000.
Sarkar ne to apna kaam kar LIYA............. baki sab to moh maya hai.
Whether we like it or not ....promoters have successfully completed the IPO and part of its divestment target. In the current world ......specially with PSUs.....promoters and investors criteria for IPO success can not be assumed to be same.
This make in India might go down in the history as the most beffuddling economic myth of all time...How could you assemble 1974 model BAE trainer jets in this era and term that as chest thumping Make In India success ....
Today, one such IAF jet crashed somewhere in the state of Odisha..It''s ironic how the investors were getting onboard with applications as the pilot ejected off of (thus abandoning) the HAL jet....
What a coincidence! Check my earlier posts regarding hal jets crashing down and subscription figures.... Hail Jet Lee! Hail HAL the robot! LIC and GIC should be sending inspection team by now to assess and settle claim for the damage...
And of course, my style of writing is different, through lighter tones, rhetoric, jokes, etc...
Aircraft crash Post mortem: IPO supplied (L)eft (T)MC (C)ongress (G)asoline, so it stalled mid-air and crashed into a cowshed.
As those cows have Aadhar cards, LIC will settle Rs 1lac/cow to the owner, while GIC will cough up Rs 112cr for the crashed aircraft. IPO is being apprehended for willful fraud and case will be taken up by a fast track court.
4200Cr seem too big. Looking at BB subscription, RII portion wont be fully subscribed even with the discount. I will cancel my applications. Sorry, Mr Jaitley.
Unke liye to Ramdev ka churan mangwaya gaya hai... Sab tension kata dega!
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March 20, 2018 10:08:47 PM
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As LIC is being used by present Government, is the main reason for pathetic condition of PSUs/ Public Sector Banks. Unwritten interference in their functioning. Then how can function effectively & efficiently?
BJP came to power successfully by claiming UPA sold this and UPA sold that nation crown jewels at lower than market value and thus every UPA activity was corrupt. I am unable to understand why the same BJP is unable to convince the market about real value of nation ''s crown jewels when it is in power and has good majority. One clear example is Coal India whose market value and dividend payout is going only one direction .........and everyone knows what it is. God bless nations Crown Jewels and also its investors