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317. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 10:05:48 PM
Coal India GMP-20-21.
316. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 9:32:51 PM
gmp now decreased to 19-20.
315. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 9:31:40 PM
people who have made lot of profits can book short term losses & if wait 1 year can book long term losses in coal india.It is tax saving time nothing better than saving tax by giving money to govt
314. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 9:30:18 PM
VALUATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS
In the price band Rs 225 – 245, the Company demands a valuation of 14x on its estimated EPS of FY 11. INVEST. Retail investors are eligible for 5% discount on the issue price.
CIL’s vision is to emerge from the position of domestic leader to leading global player in the energy sector by adopting best practices from mine to market with due care to environmental and social sustenance. INVEST.
Posted by K. A . PRASANNA at 6:59 PM 0 comments
Labels: IPO ANALYSIS: COAL INDIA LIMITED – ROCK SOLID – INVEST PRICE BAND RS 225-245
TWENTY-FIVE REASONS WHY ONE SHOULD NOT INVEST IN MICRO FINANCE COMPANIES.



1. Micro financing started as a social cause enterprise is turning out to be blood-sucking business of the poorest of the poor and hapless sections of the society.

2. There is no concern for the poor. The management is very much concerned about their chair, salary, benefits, ESOPs and wealth creation for themselves. The recent rumblings in SKS, which removed its managing director in an unprofessional manner, speak volumes about its corporate governance.

3. Seventeen borrowers of SKS micro finance committed suicide in Sept 2010, in Andhra Pradesh.

4. MFIs have come into existence as a financial intermediary for the poor; they have actually led to further impoverishment by adopting unethical practices, resorting to multiple lending without due diligence, usurious interest rates and coercive methods of recovery, as per the survey by A P government.

5. The RBI governor has suggested the state governments were the best agencies to regulate the coercive interest rates. This will happen soon.

6. According to the new regulation, the MFIs in A P must register themselves with district rural development authorities, indicate their areas of operation, employees, number of members and credit status. It also asked MFIs to display the interest rates, among other things. Dubious methods followed earlier wont work any more.

7. The proposed ordinance is likely to insist on MFIs being registered with district rural development agencies, apart from imposing a three-year imprisonment and/or Rs 1, 00,000 fines on erring MFIs.

8. The A P government is working out a policy to put a ceiling on interest rates charged by MFIs.


9. Unsustainable business model: The business model will not sustain in the end.


10. No commitment from the promoters: SKS’s founder and chairman sold his shares to Tree Line Asia Master Fund (Singapore) Pte for $12.9 million in Feb. this year.


11. Look at the salary of top executives:

Suresh Gurumani (now sacked) - Managing Director of the Company. The total monthly salary is Rs. 12, 50,000. In addition to the above, Mr. Suresh Gurumani was paid onetime bonus of Rs. 10,000,000, in April 2009.

Dr. Vikram Akula - chairman Rs 70.00 lacs p.a. In addition, ESOP amounting to Rs10.97lacs, totaling Rs 1.79cr p.a. These people are trying to eradicate poverty. LOOK AT THEIR MIND SET.

12. Mohd. Yunus says (The father of micro finance) - “I get very worried when investment funds come to micro finance,” said the founder of Bangladesh’s Grameen Bank, which pioneered the industry by giving small loans to rural women to start their own businesses. “I don’t want to excite businessmen that there is profit to be made here,” And the promoters in India says the business is exiting (exploitation of the poor).


13. The IPO of SKS micro has already made the promoters and other venture capitalists including some P/E funds that have stakes in these companies’ millionaires. The hapless borrowers continue to live in abject poverty and are committing suicide.

14. Government /RBI will not be mute spectators to the exploitation.
They are bound to regulate the segment further. This will make the business un- attractive.


15. Financial inclusion initiatives taken by the public sector banks will marginalize the micro finance business.


16. The average cost of acquisition of shares by promoters of SKS promoters is less than Rs50/-

17. RBI has constituted a sub committee to look into the functioning of MFI sector. Basing on the recommendations of the committee further stringent measures is expected.

18. Most of the favorable research report on MFIs is paid research report. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM BLINDLY.

19. The A P government is examining loan swap of MFIs with other banks, thus giving no room for scale up of operations by MFIs.

20. Look at this irony – the wealthiest and the richest industrialists/business men in the country have access to the cheapest credit, around 8% p.a. from Banks and Financial institutions. Where as the poor, the down trodden and the and other unfortunate sections of the society pays the highest interest, anywhere between 30%-40%p.a. when they borrow from the Micro Financial Institutions (MFI). This cannot go on for very long.

21. The multiple lending (the same borrower taking loans from several MFIs), is very rampant, and this bubble will burst one day. Servicing multiple loans every week is not easy, particularly when they are disbursed under group guarantee, creating peer pressure not to default.

22. The poor are vulnerable to emergencies like flood, drought, illness and marriage. So the claim of near 100% recovery by MFIs are either farce or the figures are fabricated.
23. Private equity and the global financial crisis have brought in senior managers from the financial world at what is considered exorbitant salaries to the world of micro finance. This is temporary phenomena.
24. Thus, there is a danger of micro finance not only being unable to remove poverty but end up as debt enlarging institutions.
25. MFIs clarification that their rate of interest is lower than the rate charged by the local moneylenders holds no water. The truth is, in the name of helping poor, the poor is being exploited by these MFIs
313. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 9:24:38 PM
LIKE NHPC GREY MARKET HIT BUT LISTING FLOP
COAL INDIA EPS IS 10 AND BOOK VALUE IS RS. 26 ONLY. NOW JUST THINK WHETHER GOOD OR NOTafternoon 0.50% subscription . evening o.33 % this is a game...
150-60 ka mal 245 par aur machli (retail invester) phasaney kay liye 5percent discount;isting day 4/11/10 all are seller go downdipawali will be holi for coal india ipoye issue ka matlab hai aap lagao or pote ya nati (grand son ) khaye. listing gain bhul jao. relince power yad hai ya bhul gaye wo bhi bhav layega jab tak sabke pote ho jayengeNMDC NE KOOTA
SJVNL NE LOOTA
NHPC NE SOOTA

so think coal india no listing gain hold 3 months so profit no short term gain

312. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 9:24:31 PM
common address has no validity,as mAny applicants.like father, mother , sons ,daughters, daughter-in -laws etc. with seperate PAN NUMBER And ACCORDINGLY DIFFERENT DEMAT a/cS CAN PUT IN APPLICATIONS WITHOUT KEEPING ANY FEAR OF SAME ADDRESS
311. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 9:23:43 PM
RANK-9. lies, lies, lies, untruths, unwanted suggestions , posts to create panic

Anonymous Oct 19, 2010 3:16:43 PM IST
Coal India Limited
totaly avoid this ipo,
beacause,
no profit but only loss making company,
be careful retail investers,
buy after listing.

Anonymous Oct 19, 2010 3:16:08 PM IST
Oberoi Realty Limited
Listing rate rs 36/ only.


310. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 9:22:21 PM
I HAVE INVEST MY TOTAL CAPITAL IN THIS IPO EITHER DIWALI SUCECESS OR FAILED PLEASE TELL ME WHAT HAPPNED AT LISTING

309. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 9:22:04 PM
ABOUT 30% APPLICATION HAVE BEEN FEEDED TODAY 19-10-2010 AND ABOUT 70% WILL BE FEEDED ON 20-1-2010, THEN TOMORROW IT WILL SUBSCRIBE 0.85% IN RETAIL ON 20-1-2010 AND ABOUT 1.45% ON LAST DAY, I SAY IT
NAWNEET SOM ANI
JAIPUR
308. Genuine IPO Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 3:34:37 PM

RANK-9. lies, lies, lies, untruths, unwanted suggestions , posts to create panic

Anonymous Oct 19, 2010 3:16:43 PM IST
Coal India Limited
totaly avoid this ipo,
beacause,
no profit but only loss making company,
be careful retail investers,
buy after listing.

Anonymous Oct 19, 2010 3:16:08 PM IST
Oberoi Realty Limited
Listing rate rs 36/ only.

Anonymous Oct 19, 2010 3:14:57 PM IST
307. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 3:00:10 PM
oberoi is brother of Ramky.....
306. Genuine IPO Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 2:25:11 PM
......contd

6. ideas, suggestions, feelings etc .. without the support of any substantial data/ analysis

7. leg pulling, poetry, humours & rumours related / unrelated areas ie stocks or otherwise

8. half truths, use of slangs (loot, koot etc), large unrelated unwanted posts, repeated posting of garbage data/ information etc

9. lies, lies, lies, untruths, unwanted suggestions , posts to create panic (for example - COAL WILL BE AVAILABL AT RS 180 AFTER LISTING)IN ORDER TO drive away genuine investors

and finally the most dreaded

10. THE FIGHTS, USE OF BAD WORDED STATEMENTS, FILTHY RUBBISH TO TREAT THE BRUISED EGOES

readers can see that the numbers given from 1 to 10 are the most wanted to most severe in grading.

will try to give the ranks often so that readers can distinguish the good , the bad and the UGLY

regards
GII
305. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 11:22:34 AM
POWER RID KAB AA RAHA HAI
304. Gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 11:12:07 AM
BOARDERS

DONT HESITATE IN APPLYING COAL INDIA IT WILL DEFINETLY GIVE 6000-7500 RETURN PER ONE LAC APPLCN.

IT WILL BE A PART OF EVERY PORTFOLIO OF MF AND FII.

SELLING ON LISTING DAY WILL BE HUGE FROM RETAIL AND HNI AROUND 40% OF TOTAL IPO SIZE OF 15200 CRORES MAY COME FOR ELLING ON DAY ONE BUT DEMAND FROM INSTN WILL BE EQUALLY HUGE.

DISCL: I WILL APPLY 23 FULL APPLCN , 10 APPLCN SOLD TO "ONE OF MOST RESPECTED BOARDER HERE ( NAME KEPT SECRETE)" @ 4500 WHO IN TURN HAVE SORTED THAT MUCH APPLCN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
303. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 11:08:39 AM
B R Grover coal india will list in discount.Who will buy your blank application for 3000
302. Genuine IPO Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 10:39:40 AM
vinit soni (doubtful credentials)

do you/ your party really have 25 lakhs *273= 68.25 crore rupees !

beware of it guys!

VINITSONI Oct 19, 2010 8:34:49 AM IST
Oberoi Realty Limited
Iska antim sanskar kal h

VINITSONI Oct 19, 2010 8:33:57 AM IST
Gyscoal Alloys Ltd
Vinit soni buy 25 lakh shr coal india in grey mkt 28 rs prem: BIG NEWS

VINITSONI Oct 19, 2010 8:33:20 AM IST
Coal India Limited
Vinit soni buy 25 lakh shr coal india in grey mkt 28 rs prem

301. VINITSONI |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 8:33:57 AM
Vinit soni buy 25 lakh shr coal india in grey mkt 28 rs prem: BIG NEWS
300. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 19, 2010 1:22:26 AM
ALLOTMENT ON FRIDAY 22/10....ALLOTMENT STIL UNDER PROCESS
LISTING 20 - 25% UP AND REACH TO 105 - 111% ON LINSTING DAY
DONT SELL IN PANIC, KEEP STOCK TILL 3 PM AND SELL...

299. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 11:35:47 PM
SALE HALKAT
298. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 10:14:02 PM
Those who will buy coal india will stay with it forever because its Issue price will never come