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297. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 10:43:50 PM
I request all members to discuss only Gyscoal Instead of Coal India Discussion . There is a Separate forum . So plz dont flood comments about CIL , COz many ppl will look into this post exclusively for Gyscoal !!
296. BDMP JAIN ,Onli |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 10:23:41 PM
shayad ye 110 par list hoke 150 tak jayega
295. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 10:14:45 PM

VALUATION AND RECOMMENDATIONS
In the price band Rs 225 – 245, the Company demands a valuation of 14x on its estimated EPS of FY 11. INVEST. Retail investors are eligible for 5% discount on the issue price.
CIL’s vision is to emerge from the position of domestic leader to leading global player in the energy sector by adopting best practices from mine to market with due care to environmental and social sustenance. INVEST.
Posted by K. A . PRASANNA at 6:59 PM 0 comments
Labels: IPO ANALYSIS: COAL INDIA LIMITED – ROCK SOLID – INVEST PRICE BAND RS 225-245
TWENTY-FIVE REASONS WHY ONE SHOULD NOT INVEST IN MICRO FINANCE COMPANIES.



1. Micro financing started as a social cause enterprise is turning out to be blood-sucking business of the poorest of the poor and hapless sections of the society.

2. There is no concern for the poor. The management is very much concerned about their chair, salary, benefits, ESOPs and wealth creation for themselves. The recent rumblings in SKS, which removed its managing director in an unprofessional manner, speak volumes about its corporate governance.

3. Seventeen borrowers of SKS micro finance committed suicide in Sept 2010, in Andhra Pradesh.

4. MFIs have come into existence as a financial intermediary for the poor; they have actually led to further impoverishment by adopting unethical practices, resorting to multiple lending without due diligence, usurious interest rates and coercive methods of recovery, as per the survey by A P government.

5. The RBI governor has suggested the state governments were the best agencies to regulate the coercive interest rates. This will happen soon.

6. According to the new regulation, the MFIs in A P must register themselves with district rural development authorities, indicate their areas of operation, employees, number of members and credit status. It also asked MFIs to display the interest rates, among other things. Dubious methods followed earlier wont work any more.

7. The proposed ordinance is likely to insist on MFIs being registered with district rural development agencies, apart from imposing a three-year imprisonment and/or Rs 1, 00,000 fines on erring MFIs.

8. The A P government is working out a policy to put a ceiling on interest rates charged by MFIs.


9. Unsustainable business model: The business model will not sustain in the end.


10. No commitment from the promoters: SKS’s founder and chairman sold his shares to Tree Line Asia Master Fund (Singapore) Pte for $12.9 million in Feb. this year.


11. Look at the salary of top executives:

Suresh Gurumani (now sacked) - Managing Director of the Company. The total monthly salary is Rs. 12, 50,000. In addition to the above, Mr. Suresh Gurumani was paid onetime bonus of Rs. 10,000,000, in April 2009.

Dr. Vikram Akula - chairman Rs 70.00 lacs p.a. In addition, ESOP amounting to Rs10.97lacs, totaling Rs 1.79cr p.a. These people are trying to eradicate poverty. LOOK AT THEIR MIND SET.

12. Mohd. Yunus says (The father of micro finance) - “I get very worried when investment funds come to micro finance,” said the founder of Bangladesh’s Grameen Bank, which pioneered the industry by giving small loans to rural women to start their own businesses. “I don’t want to excite businessmen that there is profit to be made here,” And the promoters in India says the business is exiting (exploitation of the poor).


13. The IPO of SKS micro has already made the promoters and other venture capitalists including some P/E funds that have stakes in these companies’ millionaires. The hapless borrowers continue to live in abject poverty and are committing suicide.

14. Government /RBI will not be mute spectators to the exploitation.
They are bound to regulate the segment further. This will make the business un- attractive.


15. Financial inclusion initiatives taken by the public sector banks will marginalize the micro finance business.


16. The average cost of acquisition of shares by promoters of SKS promoters is less than Rs50/-

17. RBI has constituted a sub committee to look into the functioning of MFI sector. Basing on the recommendations of the committee further stringent measures is expected.

18. Most of the favorable research report on MFIs is paid research report. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM BLINDLY.

19. The A P government is examining loan swap of MFIs with other banks, thus giving no room for scale up of operations by MFIs.

20. Look at this irony – the wealthiest and the richest industrialists/business men in the country have access to the cheapest credit, around 8% p.a. from Banks and Financial institutions. Where as the poor, the down trodden and the and other unfortunate sections of the society pays the highest interest, anywhere between 30%-40%p.a. when they borrow from the Micro Financial Institutions (MFI). This cannot go on for very long.

21. The multiple lending (the same borrower taking loans from several MFIs), is very rampant, and this bubble will burst one day. Servicing multiple loans every week is not easy, particularly when they are disbursed under group guarantee, creating peer pressure not to default.

22. The poor are vulnerable to emergencies like flood, drought, illness and marriage. So the claim of near 100% recovery by MFIs are either farce or the figures are fabricated.
23. Private equity and the global financial crisis have brought in senior managers from the financial world at what is considered exorbitant salaries to the world of micro finance. This is temporary phenomena.
24. Thus, there is a danger of micro finance not only being unable to remove poverty but end up as debt enlarging institutions.
25. MFIs clarification that their rate of interest is lower than the rate charged by the local moneylenders holds no water. The truth is, in the name of helping poor, the poor is being exploited by these MFIs.
294. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 6:42:23 PM
what gmp of gyscoal alloys?
293. Genuine IPO Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 6:04:39 PM
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292. Genuine IPO Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 6:03:16 PM
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291. Mukul aggarwal |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 5:54:08 PM
Hello 306 Rajesh jain how r y.I am fine.You says that i have given sj no 1 position in selecting ipos i still stick to my word but leave that matter after scolded by my friend.You are blaming sj for sks micro finance he recommended to buy it at ipo price and it is a long term story but it gaves good listing gains more than any other share but if you buy it in the market at any price and than blame sj for short term losses than this is your fault my friennd.sj has not only recommended sks micro but also gujrat pipavav, dmc, omdc and numerous of other shares and all went good and give good returns.If you want risk free return than invest in rbi bonds 100 per cent gurantee of capital protection.If you blame on short term loss in the market than upper one is a good option.Look at the LG home appliances .It is No 1 home appliances company but gives only 1 years warranty on goods does it means that LG products are not good.So do not blame for short term losses the recommendation which sj gave on sks is more or less full fill those who want to sell can sell the shares of sks it is still above the ipo price.
Thanks.
290. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 4:28:09 PM
HI 310,

Have u any base or just misguide the investors???
289. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 4:24:09 PM
WILL LIST AT 100 AND WILL BE 150 BY END OF THE DAY
AHEMDABAD OPERATORS INVOLVED
288. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 2:18:00 PM
MEANS ATFER COAL IND.ARRAGE
287. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 2:16:34 PM
U MUST APPLY IF U HAVE FUNDS ALL BONDS LISTED ALWAYS PRIMIUM 3TO4 %
286. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 18, 2010 10:45:32 AM
Shreedhar bhai you were the only person who said about SKS Microfinance when others were praising it.Now SKS at 1050 will shortly go below IPO.It is your freatest achievement,you told us the ground conditions but many followed SJ whom some mukul predicted as no 1 boarder based on 1 listing.Lot of PE investors joined but you said it will face rough times.You have given all IPO calls right.We are your silent followers.Please predict Coal India subscription & tell us what to do.

Rajesh Jain
285. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 17, 2010 11:00:57 PM

DEAR FRIENDS,

BE ACTIVE WITH GYSCOAL IT WILL BE ANOTHER PRAKASH STEELAGE AND BEDMUTHA - LET SEE LISTING AGAIN START WITH 20% PROFIT AND IT WILL REACH TO 110% ON SAME DAY.

BEST OF LUCK TO APPLIED - ALLOTED BOR./....
284. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 17, 2010 9:43:40 PM
IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THIS ISSUE TO LIST AT A PREMIUM OF 30-35 rS. CONSIDERING PRESENT MARKET CONDITIONS
283. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 17, 2010 4:39:33 PM
date 17.10.2010
grey market premium of gyscoal alloys 15-20
282. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 17, 2010 3:20:24 PM


As per RHP of the coal india the limit has been modified to Rs.2 lacs


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281. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 17, 2010 2:25:46 PM
People who r discussing coal india in gyscoal r dumb assesses
N some good for nothing people who don t have anything better to do r typing any Dam non sense and filling up whole pages should know their iq levels n judge themselves
280. Mukul aggarwal |   Link |  Bookmark | October 17, 2010 1:52:51 PM
Post number 300 is of mine but the id shows as annonymus really shocking.
279. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 17, 2010 1:51:25 PM
Gem, thanks for your response on my query.I cannot arrange more demat accounts.Because many times fooled by my relatives in financial transactions.But i will go for hni as suggested by me and agreed by you.Setuji i have read your mail in the morning and and tried two times to register for gtalk but every time an error occurs. I will try tomorrow for gtalk.I think i have problem in antivirus version which is of Macfee.I have booked profit in dmc education and omdc with approximately 30 percent gain in both.but the problem was that i have purchased only 1000 dmc and 2 omdc so profit was less and also i exit in them early.If you got idea on other script please let me know i want to invest for long term.Please send on my email id in the mean time i will try to register on gtalk.I understand all the process.I request you to not to leave this forum as lot of ipos are coming next month.If your recommendation is gone wrong on 1 to 2 ipo it does not mean that you are not good analyst.Look at the sehwag sometimes he make hundred and sometimes out on 0 does it means that he is not a good batsman look at the tulsian his more than 50 percent of the reommendation went wrong what he means has he stopped to give tips or suggestions.I have availed paid service of hdfc equities tips and there 80 percent recommendation went wrong and 20 percent already achieved the target before the message reached to me.
278. Anonymous |   Link |  Bookmark | October 17, 2010 1:10:23 PM
premium at arnd 200RS
jst see at de listing day
all r fool who havenot invested in this ipo