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76. Uchit Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 12:11:13 PM (500+ Posts, 1500+ Likes)
Automotive Axles is a third largest client of GNA Axles. It is wrong to compare GNA with Automotive Axles. Automotive Axles makes whole assembly and GNA is making only one part. That part is used in whole assembly.
75. AJS |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 8:52:18 AM
IGNORANCE of so called market experts (aka S P Tulsian)

While both names contain axles, Automotive axles and GNA are not comparable. Automotive axle makes complete axle assembly, GNA makes only 1 part which goes into the axle assembly. Average selling price of axle assembly for Automotive axle is above Rs 1 lac, while for GNA its in 2000 Rs range

Please dont take any decisions based on above expert advice
75.1. Sunil Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 3:00:45 PM (400+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
SP tulsian jo bole uska ulta karna chahiye... He is 90% wrong.
75.2. Viraj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 10:06:23 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 1100+ Likes)
yes sir you r right, his pridicsion always wrong..
74. Soravni |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 10:58:27 PM
Hello, please suggest out of gna axles and ICICI pru which one is good to opt for. Thanks.
74.1. CLD |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 4:55:46 AM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (500+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
No body will answer you correctly with 100% surety.
If you would have applied in all IPOs previously with one lot and sold your allotment within one week of listing, then you would have made good profits in 80% of IPOs & minor losses in remaining 20%.
73. PSR |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 8:37:29 PM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (1200+ Posts, 700+ Likes)
Anchor Investors:

Anchor portion is suscribed @ Rs. 207 by 3 groups of Mutual Funds viz.,

Reliance ------ 26.40%

UTI -------------- 20.80%

HDFC----------- 52.80%
73.2. AARVEE |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 4:44:21 PM
@ sunil Patel: apply or not
73.3. Sunil Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 14, 2016 11:35:14 AM (400+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
I''m going to apply.
72. STOCKT |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 3:12:18 PM
IF YOU ARE COMING WITH IPO IT NEED TO BE ATLEAST 20 PC DISCOUNT TO IT PEERS. THIS BEING ISSUES AT HIGHER P/E THAN IT PEERS. I WOULD SKIP ALL 3 IPO AXLES,LT TECHNOLOGY AND ICICI PRUDENTIAL. THEY WONT BE ANY INITIAL GAINS IN ALL 3 SKIP THEM. YOU WOULD GET MUCH BETTER CHANCES IN SECONDARY MARKET NOW.
71. Lokesh Jain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 1:53:54 PM
GNA Axles Ltd IPO - S P Tulsian

GNA Axles is entering the primary market on Wednesday 14th September, 2016, to raise Rs. 130 crore via a fresh issue of 63 lakh equity shares of Rs. 10 each, in the price band of Rs. 205-207 per share. Issue will raise Rs. 130 crore and represents 29.35% of the post issue paid up equity share capital, at the upper end, and closes on Friday 16th September.

GNA Axles is a 23 year old auto component maker manufacturing rear axle shafts, spindles and spindle shafts for commercial vehicles, buses, off-highway vehicles, agricultural and construction equipments. It supplies products to OEMs and Tier-1 suppliers such as M&M, Escorts, John Deere, Tractors & Farm Equipment (TAFE), Automotive Axles, Meritor HVS AB and Dana. It has 2 manufacturing facilities in Punjab, with an aggregate annual capacity of 23 lakh rear axle shafts, of upto 165 kg input weight, 4 lakh other shafts and 3 lakh spindles.
Rear axle shaft is the key product, accounting for ~84% of revenue. Company’s exports, having grown from 35% of revenue in FY12 to 55% in FY16, are mainly to North America (~46% of total exports) and Europe (32%). FY16 total income grew 18% YoY to Rs. 509 crore, while EBITDA jumped 36% to Rs. 83 crore, with EBITDA margin expanding to 16.3% from FY15’s 14.2%, on account of benign raw materials cost. PAT came in at Rs. 26 crore, up 20% YoY, yielding an EPS of Rs. 17.12. Its PAT margin of 5.2%, however, has remain unchanged from last year.

As on 31-03-2016, equity stood at Rs. 15.2 crore, while Net Worth was at Rs. 138 crore. Total Debt stood at Rs. 130 crore, with negligible cash balance, implying a high debt equity ratio of 0.93:1. Its debtors are very slow moving, with outstanding debtors of Rs. 162 crore (31-3-16) representing 3.8 months of sales. Receivables on account of exports have been throughout very high, representing 4.8 months of export sales, as of 31-3-16. Company’s outstanding debtor position has always been precarious, exceeding 3 months of sales for the past 3 years, and it is estimated to be so going forward too.

Objects of issue include purchase of plant and machinery for existing plants for Rs. 80 crore and working capital funding of Rs. 35 crore. At upper end of the price band, company will have market cap of Rs. 444 crore and EV of Rs. 573 crore. This leads to EV/EBITDA multiple of 6.9x and 6.4x for FY16 and FY17 respectively, and PE multiple of 17.1x for FY16 and 14.7x (on expanded equity base of Rs. 21.47 crore) for FY17.

Automotive Axle, a Kalyani group company having a foreign JV partner holding 36% stake, near debt free status, low retail float of barely 14% and more than double the topline (over 1,200 crore) is commanding EV/EBITDA multiple of 10x and PE multiple of 24x on the bourses, on current year estimates. On the other hand, GNA Axle’s business is very working capital intensive, coupled with high debt levels.

A smaller peer, Talbros Engineering, with capacity to manufacture 18.3 lakh axle shafts p.a. across 3 manufacturing facilities in Haryana, has tiny equity base of Rs. 2.6 crore and market cap of Rs. 66 crore. Talbros share price has seen sharp rally in past three months, rising by over 40%, and is now trading at FY17 EV/EBITDA multiple of 6.1x and PE multiple of 10.7x, which is cheaper than GNA Axles’ pricing, despite the latter being a primary market offering.

Being an IPO, GNA Axles must offer shares to potential shareholders at a minimum of 15-20% discount to its fair price, which is seen missing in the current pricing. Besides, there is no dearth of ideas in the listed auto ancillary space, players with dominant market position, healthy growth rates and trading at attractive valuations.

Besides valuations, a couple of internal risk factors also raise red flags:

•      There are winding up petitions pending against the company and its subsidiary GNA Gears, filed by RMG Alloy Steel, for non-payment of Rs. 8 crore for supply of raw material, which paints a poor picture, given the quantum of amount involved. An adverse decision can impact both financial position and company reputation.

•      Client concentration risk is also high, as 56% of FY16 revenue was generated from 5 customers. Although it is looking to diversify customer base, loss of any customer could dent profitability meaningfully.

Besides offering shares at fair price and not leaving much on the table, in terms of pricing, GNA Axles issue is small in size (vis-à-vis bigger names such as L&T Technology Services and ICICI Prudential Life which open during similar time frame) may be unnoticed and hence fail to attract a lot of investor /analyst interest. Crowding with other bigger IPOs may go against the issue.

To conclude, GNA Axles is not a compelling enough story, and hence the IPO can be skipped.

Disclosure: No Interest.

https://www.sptulsian.com/article/89500/g-n-a-axles
71.1. AJS |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 8:45:49 AM
This is IGNORANCE of so called market experts (aka S P Tulsian)

While both names contain axles, Automotive axles and GNA are not comparable. Automotive axle makes complete axle assembly, GNA makes only 1 part which goes into the axle assembly. Average selling price of axle assembly for Automotive axle is above Rs 1 lac, while for GNA its in 2000 Rs range

Please dont take any decisions based on above expert advice
71.2. Uchit Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 12:10:28 PM (500+ Posts, 1500+ Likes)
Automotive Axles is a third largest client of GNA Axles. It is totally wrong to compare GNA with Automotive Axles. Automotive Axles makes whole assembly and GNA is making only one part. That part is used in whole assembly.
70. shalu |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 8:46:44 AM
Apply apply apply
69. Kabali ka Baap |   Link |  Bookmark | September 11, 2016 11:11:32 PM
EPS of 17.11 and
P/E of 12.1
69.1. pablo Escobar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 8:57:36 AM
Just inverse man.
68. shreeh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 11, 2016 3:12:46 PM
guys buy this IPO dont miss golden opportunity
68.1. kukurks |   Link |  Bookmark | September 11, 2016 4:39:21 PM
Please give reply of 65.5
68.2. P JOSEPH |   Link |  Bookmark | September 13, 2016 9:04:59 AM
What are your justification for the recommendations?
67. gamble |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 9:49:17 PM (1600+ Posts, 3900+ Likes)
Some of advantages (G N A Axles )

1..better in all parameter vs it''s peers.
2.. Good fundamental
2..only 31,500 forms req. To subscribe ...1x(retailer).however chances of ...allotment more
3..CRISIL rating
Long term :BBB+ (stable)
Short term : A2
4.. Auto industry in bull
5.. Generally issue with good funtamental which list @ T group gave good return ex. Pushkar,SPA
6..retailer selling won''t much affect price ....on listing day because of (point no. 2)
7.. Intra trader will not b there till 15 days
8..Debt level decreasing


...........Disadvantages :
1. market sentiment(if any )
2..domestic sales decresing (won''t affect for short term)


So, overall low risk/moderate return ipo...my view.
67.1. Shivajee |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 11:48:57 AM (700+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
Gamble

This is regarding allotment. For oversubscribed IPOs the trend is applyiing 1 lot in RII category (to get at least one lot allotment).

If i go for HNI category, if I apply for 2 lakhs, how many lots they will give me? If I happen to get allotment in lottery, will there be allotment for full 2 lakhs (13-14 lots?)
67.2. Shivajee |   Link |  Bookmark | September 12, 2016 2:00:43 PM (700+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
One more question, HNI comes under retail or NII?
66. Viraj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 5:04:19 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (900+ Posts, 1100+ Likes)
I like the fundamental stock i will apply gna...and avoid both ipo..
66.4. pablo Escobar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 11:10:56 PM
Khemka . U gone made. U see RKS everywhere. I'' would like u to suggest that go get a doctor and make this illusion to clear...LOL.
66.5. kukurks |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 11:52:05 PM
Adv by GNA Axles in busines standard dt 50.09.2016 --- notice to be read in conjunction with rhp and modification included in the prospectus to be filled with the RoC
65. nagen nayak |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 12:35:18 PM
NO GMP FOR GNA DUE TO T GROUP COMPANY
64. ManishPatel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 9:09:43 PM
Hi Sunil,

In Ahmedabad any one started buy application? If any please let me know.
63. Sunil Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 7:06:00 PM (400+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
GMP 15-20.

Here is the high chance of allotment.
63.1. Sunil Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 7:07:01 PM (400+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
We can see some Kostak of nearly 500-750 by next week.
63.2. rushabh mehta |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 12:37:47 AM
This IPO gonna list under T group so not possible for any GMP. How come this rates are floating around? Correct me if I am wrong.
62. shalu |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 12:37:09 PM
Market go down tcs down discount list new ipo may be auto down
61. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 11:52:48 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
I did a peers compare automotive axles and talbros based on analysis I am going to apply for the IPO at post IPO of PE 17 with good 18% CARG and good order book and clients I am going to apply. On only issue is working capital however with funds coming to company and no OFS from present owner and long history of promoters i am confident the issue will fixed

I am also going to apply for L&T Tech
61.10. koolkaptain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 11, 2016 3:36:33 PM
Thank you Septaji.I think I will invest in GNA and ICICI Prud. L&T Tech looks a bit expensive.

I don''t know much about how to analyse/evaluate stocks, but I do listen to wise people at forums. Then I make some small investment in those stocks. If they keep doing well, I invest some more.

Thanks to Setpaji I made some decent profit in IRB Infra and Bata. And following another wise member I invested in Prakash Constrowell@4.50. Important to me to learn the art of listening ... :)
61.11. koolkaptain |   Link |  Bookmark | September 11, 2016 3:38:03 PM
Oops ... that should have been Prakash Constrowell at Rs 4.50
60. psychoinvestor |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 10:01:52 AM
Apply or not ?
59. jiya |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 9:16:30 AM
Septa sir please guide regarding this IPO. Should I apply?
58. Jaggu |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 7:38:11 AM
Apply or not ?
57. MahiMahi |   Link |  Bookmark | September 8, 2016 6:26:40 PM
why shalimar production going up?
57.2. MahiMahi |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2016 9:12:49 PM
your holding period?
57.3. Hardik Pipaliya |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2016 7:28:25 AM
Maybe 7 to 8 months.... Don''t remember precisely...

Will let u know the perfect date....