This is great news. Let's see the impact of this on listing gain.
30. GJ 😀| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 5:04:06 AM
IPO Mentor (1600+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
First time read the complete RHP of any company. Interesting findings,
1. They mentioned "Awards and Recognitions: 2021 Received “Top Partner Asia South” by PulseSecure", unable to find anything relevant. I am a daily user of PulseSecure. If this is true info then it is good for an investor. 2. Company promoter (and his wife) takes a salary of approx 38 lac per annum along with other benefits. 3. Company has taken a secured loan of approx 5 cr from ICICI Bank at 8.4% ROI. 4. Other unsecured loans' amounting to approx 1 cr at ROI ranging from 15 till 28% 5. Only 16 employees and only 3 working for their core technical part. Imagine if these 2-3 leaves or something bad happens to them. 6. Out of this 10 cr from issue, approx 1.5 cr is going towards Issue Related expenses, which seems pretty high to me. 7. Biggest promoter himself joined the company not more than 5-6 years ago. 8. Promoter and his wife gave loans to the company of around 2.5 cr.
I read full RHP for the first time. So these things may be very normal things in SME companies but new and alarming to me. Thought of sharing it with you all.
Thanks.
Disc: I do have 5 retail UPI mandates pending of 1 lot each, not accepted a single one of them. Not sure, what I will do, accept or avoid., will be deciding later before 12 PM today.
@GJ , Good work and very valid points, your post made me have a cursory look at rhp and I´d further red flag negative operating cash flows, high debt, bank balance Rs 38. Receivables 9cr from group companies (all have accumulated losses)
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May 31, 2022 4:20:02 AM
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@ultrasnow, Thanks to you too. I missed the points you covered. Especially this 38 rs balance and 9 cr debt things.
Seems like not much enthu in people who applied here. Not many are talking about allotment results.
Anyways, best of luck to all. Praying for a good listing as the broader market also recovered over the last few days.
@Lokes.. and others applied with UPI... are you accepting mandates ???
Technical staff of only three serving three divisions: Cyber Security, Integrated Enterprise Solutions, and Managed Services including cyber forensics, cyber security, data security services............... strange...
@Avenue, I also raised these 3 employee concerns in my post here. https://www.chittorgarh.com/ipo/ipo_discussions.asp?a=1256&c=518151&ap=0
I am pending with 5 mandates and probably won't accept. Waiting for others to share their view.
I might be deploying my funds in the secondary market for the next few days. As it may give returns more than these risky IPOs. Even it looks like, investing in a good MF may give more returns than these shaky IPOs.
agree with GJ completely. considering all these I have already skipped this one.
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May 27, 2022 1:28:39 AM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@avenue: sorry i missed to come here so couldn't check message. I have accepted all three retail application upi mandates yesterday only.
I don't know why people making issue of 16 employees, its a sme company and sme's can have revenue/profits in a big range, means from very small to enough high so being having 16 employees with this revenue/profit is completely fine, no issue in that. The sector where it operates is good in my view and financials are average (good growth in last 2 years) not bad, and issue is fully priced , not too expensive, as per current FY22 PE. So i have already mentioned on 24th may itself that i may apply here, (after checking it little bit, i don't go much details in RHP etc), even after seeing so many earlier negative reviews here, and next day we have seen such a strong demand from HNI here.
Ekennis being a very small office company with small financials and in IT/training/printing field did good in listing and even after that.
The point is not 16 employees. The pain point is, out of these 16, only 3 are working with IT/Eng part of the company which is the core of the company and all the other 13 are non-tech people. A single point of failure kind of situation is there.
My point was, it may give listing gain, and even can give good returns in long run, but seems like a more risky bet than our other usual scenarios.
And like I said in my post here, https://www.chittorgarh.com/ipo/ipo_discussions.asp?a=1256&c=518151&ap=0 I read full RHP for the first time. So these things may be very normal things in SME companies but new and alarming to me.
Anyways, best of luck to all applied and hope for good listing.
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May 27, 2022 6:30:51 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@GJ: ya its not so good sme company but not comes in bad sme company category, its kind of average ones....and ya i have seen that 3 tech employee thing too, you might be more worried since u are also in IT field ;) :) and knows the importance etc. but overall all kind of staff are necessary and getting techies is not so tough also. And i too don't read rhp's other than sometimes to know about category/allotments etc. , i don't have that much time, i get info from other places. And 5-10% listing gain is also enough , i don't dream much.
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May 31, 2022 4:28:04 AM
IPO Mentor (1600+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
@lokes,
I agree all kinds of staff are necessary.
But partially beg to differ with the 2nd part, "getting techies is not so tough." It is not tough to hire a techy but if your whole company is dependent on 2-3 of these types. You need really good tech people to handle those things or else they will be the reason for closing the company or declaring bankruptcy.
Again agreed with the last part, 5-10% listing gain is also enough. I suspect more listing gain by looking at the broader market situation improvement and demand from NII.
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June 8, 2022 12:47:13 AM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
i was allotted 2 lots here in my retail applications and sold 1 lot at UC price 38.3 on listing day and holding other lot still.... it proved to be good bet where mostly were shying away initially but i informed one day before closing itself to apply and it had good subscriptions and good listing. This sector is good and promising and sme financials/PE was also above average. It has Performed much better than fone4/sonu infratech/nanavati etc which had un-necessary hype and more subscriptions without any good financial/sector in any of them.
@lokes and other experts, Since HNI is subscribed more than Retail here, is there any rule that Retail portion of shares will now moved to HNI? Like it happened in case of Retail subscribed more than HNI. Please confirm.
@Dinesh... Rules are meant to safeguard interest of Retail applicants, rightly so. I don't think retails portion can be moved to HNis. @Lokes will confirm...
As per the rules, retail will get not less than 50% of the shares on offer. Since the retail portion is fully subscribed(assuming sufficient numbers accept UPI mandate), no shares of the retail portion can be moved to HNIs. This is how I understand the rule.
There is different rule applicable in case of SME IPO. Not so simple like main line IPO.
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May 26, 2022 12:34:21 AM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
That rule of moving share (adjusting subscription equally) is applicable only when FINAL retail subscription is more than HNI , mainly to give more preference/priority to retail investors demand. Else this current case of more hni subscription than retail is a general thing in good sme ipos and there is no share movement etc. in this case.
I do not see much value in the company. Only 16 employees! 3% profit on 30 Crore revenue! For me it looks highly risky company.
Looking at the subscription numbers, one can get tempted to try for listing gains. Being a small IPO, operators will control & if one is lucky can make some 10-15% gain and exit at the right time.
Sorry 11 Crore revenue. I mistook the asset value as revenue. It works out to 10% profit.
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May 25, 2022 3:57:13 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
Nowdays Subscription can easily be faked in both retail/hni with upi mandates etc. And in recent average sme's like sonu infratech, nanavati, and fone4 etc, all came down a lot even after having double digit subscriptions. it becomes tough to come out once they start moving down and then losses keep increasing. Even all other good sme's are also going down in these days. So exit at right time is also important, if we are applying, since we can't be sure which one will go in which direction.
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May 25, 2022 5:39:12 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
good that i didn't applied in hni with 4-5 lots etc initially else anyways chances would be lesser than in retail....applied one more retail application now so total 3 retail applications....hoping for 1 allotment
It's good to see old time good HNI subscriptions, 23x. Seeing those figures I applied 3 Retail UPI based applications. I have not even followed this SME IPO but will see now as I have time till tomorrow to accept mandates...