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64. manjitsingh |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 1:47:25 PM
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I will apply in all my 19 a/c ....5% to retail investors + 4% to nii and qib makes it 9% as simple as that ..... and that to firm allotment application wise ....have already started to arrange the funds ....too manys ipos in too little time....
64.15. Mahaveer Prasad Gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 4:49:34 PM
I have heard negative 16 premium. i think this means Rs. 29 premium (45-16) for retail applicants. Your grey market news of +5 is incorrect.
64.16. manjitsingh |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 5:00:18 PM
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yesterday it was -15 rs
63. james bond 007 |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 1:08:11 PM
hello
62. TOPS |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 8:09:53 AM
BE CAUTIOUS


ASK FOLLOWING QUESTIONS
DOES GIC MAKING OPERATING PROFIT ?
THEY ARE MAKING PROFIT FROM INVESTMENT RATHER THAN INSURANCE BUSINESS
THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS IS IN LOSS
A COMPANY DOES NOT MAKE OPERSTING PROFIT IS PREMIUM JUTYIFIED?
GOVT TAKING OUT MONEY FROM LOSS MAKING BUSINESS. HANDING OVER TO SMALL INVESTOR

PL LOOK IN TO THEIR FINSNCIAL CAREFULLY BEFORE APPLYING

INVESTOR NEED TO BE VERY VERY CAUTIOUS DON''T GO BY NAME OR GOVT ORG.

VERY POORLY MANAGED ORGANISATION

AVIOD CLEAR AVOID ISSUE AT SUCH HUGE PREMIUM NOT WORTH. PAYING PREMIUM TO SUCH COMPANY

LIC IS THERE AS STANDBY TO SUPPORT ISSUE
62.1. M Gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 10:04:57 AM
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Appox 2000 crores of operating profit was there in 2017. In previous years also, OP was there. Please check from where did u get negative OP figures. I checked from prospectus.
62.2. LeoOneThree |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 12:39:41 PM
Tops....please don''t apply. We r happy to make profit from GIC as well. No insurance company make profit from operations...hahaha...that''s shows Ur knowledge in stock market and understanding of company...
61. Network Engineer |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 5:20:44 PM
Most likely we can''t use Godrej money for GIC too. official refund date for Godrej is 13th so expected to credited in account next day.13th is last date of application for GIC. What should we do ? I guess I have to skip any one among Godrej, Mas, Indian energy and GIC. I already applied Godrej 10 lot. which one I should ignore ? please advice.
61.5. Network Engineer |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 7:46:32 PM
@ astuter and manjitsingh ; Thanks. I wish you are right.
@N. Murthy: 10 lot means I applied on different PAN. Thanks.
61.6. Vvc |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 1:20:18 AM
An idea. Use physical form and apply it will block your money on 14th Oct.
60. R R Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 11:16:04 PM
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Refund in case of nil allotment in Godrej Agrovet Ltd IPO can be used in GIC IPO on last day i.e. October 13.
59. R R Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 11:13:28 PM
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Dear Moderator,
Please update the discount of Rs.45 for retail investors.
58. rajs.rams |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 10:35:03 PM
ICICI Lombard (Gen ins): Rs. 6000+ cr IPO
SBI Life (Life Ins) : Rs. 8400+ cr IPO
GIC (Re ins) : Rs. 11000+ cr IPO
Insurance sector is booming or whats up?
58.1. rajs.rams |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 10:36:00 PM
Rs 24000 cr raised in 1 - 2 months..
58.2. ABG |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 10:48:31 PM
Bull market is the only reason.
57. juju |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 8:12:00 PM
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Revenue growth = 12%
PAT growth = 8.88%
FY18 Estimate EPS= Rs.38.95,; asking PE= 23.4x
PEG= 2.63
P/B= 3.89
RoNW~16%
Retail Discount Rs.45
While all the above figures are indeed good, and it looks like GIC is worth holding in portfolio but with Rs.912 the Market Cap will be Rs. 80000 crores and P/S comes to be 21.06!!! which is astoundingly high.
Don''t know what to make out of it.
57.1. Deval Ghai |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 9:42:45 PM
The figures stated on the website are not correct.
The figure in Revenue row is actually Profit Before Tax.
57.2. juju |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 10:01:30 PM
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No dear , figures in Chittorgarh website is correct, save for those are Standalone and not Consolidated.
Anyways I have my data based on RHP , not on Chittorgarh website
56. Jain Sahab |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 6:27:13 PM (300+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Topline CAGR--9.76%
Bottomline CAGR--5.71%
Based on aforementioned figures
56.5. Jain Sahab |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 8:27:53 PM (300+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
99% chance that you will get full allotment Ravi Kant Bhai..
56.6. Jain Sahab |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 8:32:01 PM (300+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
If you apply with full 2 lakh
Appx Rs 10000 profit
If listed at issue price of 912
55. Ravi Kant |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 6:26:12 PM
Great Things:
PE = 25
Book Value = 225 (p/b expected 4)
RETAIL DISCOUNT = 5%
ALLOTMENT POSSIBILITY = MINIMUM LOT TO EACH APPLICANT IS SURE
EVEN HIGHER ALLOTMENT POSSIBLE TO APPLICANTS MAKING MORE THAN 1 LOT IN RETAIL QUOTA.

VERDICT: APPLY WITH FULL FORCE
54. Skutariar |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:32:27 PM
very few PSU company nearby GIC Re (profit), if u combined all PSU bank, all PSU General Insurance company and Pvt general ins co. GIC profit may higher than all
54.1. MaddyDeo |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 6:17:47 PM
Very true...!!! this is not a reinsurer of single life or General Ins sector, it is a combined of Life + General Ins, which means every Ins co across the world + many State Govt funds etc is the client of GIC Re. As per my source other very strong positive Factor is the low management cost, boz total strength of Employees across the globe ( Indian + Foreign Branches ) is not more than 550 to 600, And look at the profit after tax..Last year 2016-17 - Inr 3000 Crs (approx ), 2015-16 - Inr 2800 Crs..which is not possible in many corporates to give that much profits with employee strength of 600 Approx....think guys.......!!!! take your call....
53. RAKA GANGAPUR |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 5:20:33 PM
For a Retailer what will be Maximum Lot Size Means 13 Lot or 14 Lot ?
13*16 208 share
or 14*16 224 share ?
Because after considering 45 Rs Discount A Retailer can Apply for Maximum 14 Lot that is 224 Share on Upper Price Band, (224 Share* {912-45=867} = 1,94,208/-)
Am I correct ?
Please Reply
52. Mahaveer Prasad Gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 5:15:03 PM
Eagleye, your suggestion, whether to apply full 2 lacs or 1 lot per account. Thanks in advance for your guidance.
51. RAKA GANGAPUR |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 4:44:21 PM
Eagerly waitting for Dilip Davde Ji''s comment
50. Mahaveer Prasad Gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 4:09:27 PM
If I apply full 2 lac application, Will I get 5% discount on entire amount. I mean, it is restricted to first lot or all 13 lots? Plz clarify
50.1. Navkant |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 4:22:03 PM (300+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
Discount on full amount but the moment there are 1x RII subscription application wise, you will only get a single/minimum lot.
49. JPATEL |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:20:25 PM
Ravi Kant ji minor a/c
IPO apply konsi bankse Kiya tha or demet a/c koni bank
49.2. LeoOneThree |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:28:24 PM
I have a minor dmat in Sharekhan and apply thru SBI or ICICI bank account
49.3. Ravi Kant |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:30:19 PM
Bank account was - SBI
Demat was with - Alankit

Please note that you should have valid seperate PAN of minor before applying for demat account opening.
48. JPATEL |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 2:20:50 PM
IPO me minor a/c apply Kar sakte he ?
48.4. Huzefa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:22:24 PM
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@Ravi Kant, I tried opening ICICIDirect account for my minor son with his PAN Card. But ICICI Direct refused to open account for less than 18 years even if PAN is provided. Can you let me know u opened Minor account with which broker?
48.5. LeoOneThree |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:26:03 PM
I have a minor dmat in Sharekhan and apply thru SBI or ICICI bank account.
47. manjitsingh |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 2:54:04 PM
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Dear all 25 to 28 lakh application expected in this particular ipo soo do not invest 2 lakh in single application it is worthless..... even dormant demat holders have started inquiry abt this ipo
47.1. Ravi Kant |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:03:35 PM
Manjit Bhai,
Someone in the Board has quoted that it has a grey market premium of Rs. 25 only (Rs. 45 - Rs. 20 discount, Net Rs. 25), if it is the case, Retail Applicants will not apply more than 15 lac applications, in that case, very strong chance of more allotment in Retail applying for 2 lac full.

However, I dont agree that it will list in discount. and why should be a case of discount bhav even before ipo opens, if its true why should HNI and QIB apply, they should purchase from grey market.
47.2. manjitsingh |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:16:15 PM
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Grey market is trap to eat out retail discount .....no less than 25 to 28 lakh applications
46. Ravi Kant |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 1:34:37 PM
My suggestion :

1. Sell your ICICI Pru (If you hold)
2. Sell your SBI (If you hold)
3. Sell ICICI Lombard (If you have)

4. Apply maximum quantity in GIC. Because 24-25PE, 4 times price to book, 5% retail discount, Hugh gain expected. Even if the share list at par @ 912, you will make handsome 5%.
46.1. JPATEL |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 3:08:04 PM
Thanks
Koni bank sell kiya
Processed Koya he
45. M Gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 11:19:14 AM
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GOVT IS FACING CRITISISM FROM ALL AROUND. SO IR CANT ALLOW ITS LARGEST IPO TO LIST IN DISCOUNT. EVEN IF IT LISTS AT 1 % DISCOUNT, NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL MEDIA WILL MAKE A LOT OF HULLA HULLA. WHEN WE (ONLY RETAILERS) HAVE 5% DISCOUNT,WE SHOULD NOT LET THIS OPPORTUNITY GO WASTE.
45.1. Pappi |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 2:49:40 PM
Govt has send Mr. Gupta for promotion
In return govt will pay 1 cr for getting Retail quota to Mr Gupta and Mr Ravi Kant each

Good Promotion Bhai log. . ......

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