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84. sameer james |   Link |  Bookmark | October 8, 2017 1:30:37 AM
Arjun Patel sir please view about GIC. Regards.
83. sha dows |   Link |  Bookmark | October 8, 2017 12:11:02 AM
For retail investors, what''s the maximum number of lots we can apply? Is it 13 lots or 14 lots? Can any body clarify
82. IPO EMPEROR |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 11:54:16 PM
This is only ipo where IF I BID I will bid at lower price as Big issue....and poor performance by other insurance ipo........Face value 5....public ko QTYA samje hai kya......chance very high u can get below issue price post listing.
81. Napoleon |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 9:52:42 PM
Can someone please explain me about the lower band and upper band , please???
80. Ravi Kant |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 4:37:38 PM
DALAL STREET REVIEW (CUT-PASTE)
IPO rating – 52 (Investment recommended)

About the offer

The offer by GIC includes fresh issue of 1.72cr shares and offer for sale of 10.75cr shares. The shares will be issued in the price band of Rs 855-912 and the minimum lot size is 16 shares. Investors will be required to put in minimum investment in the range of Rs. 13,680-Rs. 14,592.

The issue will remain open from Oct 11 to Oct 13. The company is offering retail investors and company’s employees discount of Rs 45 per share. This implies the company will raise ~Rs.1568cr through fresh issue and Rs.9804cr through OFS on the higher price band. This aggregates the issue size to Rs11,372cr.

The face value of the share is Rs 5. The company will be listed on both NSE and BSE.

The lead managers of the IPO are Axis Capital, Citigroup Global Markets, Duetsche Equities India, HSBC Securities and Kotak Mahindra Capital Company.

Purpose of the IPO

From OFS, the company will not receive any money.

From the fresh issue of Rs1568cr, the company plans to use the proceeds to augment its capital base and for other corporate expenses.

About GIC

GIC is a public sector company and is the largest reinsurer in India and is ranked as the 12th largest reinsurer in the world by CRISIL. GIC accounted for 60% of the non-life insurance premiums ceded in FY17.

The company has exposure to India and international business. In FY17, reinsurance written for risks outside of India represented 30.53% of gross premiums.

The gross premium mix of the business is shifting towards India, with India/ International ratio of 69.4%/30.53% in FY17 vs 56.7%/43.2% in FY16. We can see that the total consolidated gross premiums increased at a CAGR of 48.6% over FY15-17 as compared to international gross premium which increased at a slower CAGR of 24.84% over FY15-17.

The growth in the company''s India business was also triggered by crop insurance as agriculture gross premium witnessed a huge spike comprising 28.39% in FY17 vs 6.82% in FY16. We see new opportunities in this segment gaining traction with government impetus on providing crop insurance instead of farm waivers going forward. Another segment which has been a resilient sector is motor insurance.

Financial performance

We see that gross premium on consolidated basis grew at a CAGR of 48.65% over FY15-17 to Rs.33741 cr. The company has been working towards improving its operational efficiency. We also believe that growth in premium and better utilisation resulted in lower operating expense ratio to 0.83% in FY17 vs 1.18% in FY15.

We also see that solvency ratio lowered to 2.4x in FY17 vs 3.3x in FY15. This would require company to augment its capital base as the solvency lowered further to 1.8x in Q1FY18 and they are required to maintain solvency of 1.5x.

Particulars (Rs-Cr)
2017
2016
2015
CAGR
Gross Premium
33,741
18,534
15,270
48.65%
PBT
3,417
3,021
2,831
6.50%
PAT
3,140.6
2,823.4
2,891.0
4.23%
Operating Expenses/ Net premiums
0.83%
1.15%
1.18%
0.33%


Industry overview

Reinsurance market for non-life insurance is on the higher side than life insurance due to the ticket size and lower pure life insurance products (more of protection plus growth). Hence, non-life insurance accounts for ~95% of the reinsurance business.

According to CRISIL Research, Indian reinsurance market was ~Rs.388 bn in FY17 and grew at a healthy 15% CAGR from FY07-17. In FY17, the premiums in non-insurance grew due to sharp increase in crop insurance (4 times), and even excluding the category, the growth was at a healthy 18%.

Private non-life insurance dominates the market and accounts for 48% of the reinsurance market, while public sector insurance accounts for 33%. With reinsurance, fire, motor and health account for 27%, 18% and 12%, respectively, of the non-life insurance in FY16.

The growth of reinsurance market is dependent on the growth of primary non-life insurance. The direct premium for non-life insurers is estimated to increase at 15-20% CAGR over FY17- 22. Consequently, reinsurance premiums are expected to grow at 11-14% CAGR over the same period.

Valuation and outlook

GIC does not have any direct listed peers. However, GIC has seen a significant improvement in performance in FY17. Also, since management is looking at inorganic growth and also eyeing opportunities in international life reinsurance, we expect the company to continue its growth. However, we believe the company can improve its operational efficiency further.

Also, we see the valuation to be decent compared to ICICI Lombard''s, which is trading at P/B of 8.1x. Though ICICI Lombard is not a direct peer, it provides a good proxy for comparison.

Companies
P/B
GIC
4.0x
ICICI Lombard
8.1x


Our view

We urge investors to subscribe to the issue as we see the company improving its performance going forward. On the financial performance, we see that the company has benefited from government schemes and seen a good traction in crop insurance, which is under-penetrated and offers scope for growth. Also, considering the discount for retail investors of Rs.45 and the pipeline of general insurance companies IPOs, we expect it to lead to new price discovery.


*40 or lower – Avoid Investment, 41 to 45 – Risky, 46 to 50 – Invest with limited exposure, 51 to 55 – Investment recommended, 56 & above – Excellent Investment
79. Pinakin Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 11:24:39 AM
Hey Guys,
Can any body expert give some glimpse on this question?
This GIC ipo is having range of 855-912 where retail have discount of 5% i.e. 45 INR. If I am going to apply this ipo in lower band that means at 810 INR what will be my chance to get IPO. Obvious this IPO will not get fully subscribe in retail segment. In this case we can directly can get 5+6.66= 11.66 % return if IPO will open at 912 only.
Please advise.
79.3. Navkant |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 1:31:21 PM (300+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
No. There is no sectional cut off price. If NII and QIB apply at higher cut off, that''s what the final price would be and you will end up getting 0 shares. Always apply at cutoff to be in the safe side. If the final price is decided at lower band, that''s what you will get it at.
79.4. KAJA |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 4:29:34 PM
Patel Bhai, if an issue gets over subscribed overall, n retail portion gets under subscribed, n if issue price fixed above lower band, n if u apply @ lower band, u vil not be allotted any shares, no matter retail portion got under subscribed...
78. Solution of Queries |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 2:28:59 PM (1100+ Posts, 1400+ Likes)
@knowledge mumbai comment no. 79 , looks like you everywhere posting this type of msg for increasing spamming in this forum.

Don''t Do !!
77. RAJ STOCK |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 1:22:43 PM
GMP??? Please
76. GkRaya |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 7:24:45 PM
I am new to IPO. On my initial study, my observations about this ipo:
1. This is highly priced
2. Very huge volume
3. Since every one would get plenty (hope so!), post launch, demand would be less.
4. Price would ramp up very slow.It may drop also :-(

Is it worth to invest for 13 lots? Experts please advise. Thank you.
76.3. Honest Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 11:15:50 AM
Avoid it and apply for Reliance Nippon IPO later this month. Very little listing gain in this one and almost everyone will get allotment.
76.4. Aplash |   Link |  Bookmark | October 7, 2017 12:04:32 PM
Mr. Ravi has given a very perfect reply of post in respect of GIC Re public issue. At the cost of repetition I may add that this issue is fairly priced and offering good discount to retail investors. This company has no peer in India as it is only national re insurer. Their competitors are Munich Re and Swiss Re which are foreign companies. Other new private insurers do not stand any where before this company. I may also add in this forum that as per Govt. guidelines every insurer either PSU'' or private has to place 5% of its premium with this company under quota share treaty. Since this company is offering a unique business model, In my opinion it is a must apply.
75. sameer james |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 11:51:45 PM
Arjun Sir view on GIC apply or not?
74. Solution of Queries |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 2:49:10 PM (1100+ Posts, 1400+ Likes)
Dilip Davda ji recommendation " other " for this ipo !!
74.1. Dilip Davda |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 8:25:44 PM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (200+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
Yes, I have said with my neutral views and one must read rationals behind my remarks for "Others" as well as "Subscribe". Even when I say "Subscribe" it also carries rationals. For better understanding on valuation part, one may contact CFAs.

Dilip Davda
SEBI registered Research Analyst
Mumbai

Read my IPO Reviews

74.2. Solution of Queries |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 9:36:35 PM (1100+ Posts, 1400+ Likes)
ohhh thanks u replied on my comment btw i posted just for info. to other members.
73. Mahaveer Prasad Gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 3:39:07 PM
New listed kids - Both SBI Life (CMP 700) and ICICI GI (CMP 677) are up today. Even PRATAAP is up by more than 50.
73.1. KING VINOD |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 8:26:00 PM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (2500 Posts, 5400+ Likes)
Today Prataap closed almost @ 10% upside
73.2. Solution of Queries |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 9:35:20 PM (1100+ Posts, 1400+ Likes)
Still more upside left in prataap , bt not worthfully to buy at this level
72. DUBEYNILESH |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 8:30:33 PM
i think rs 45 coushion is for retail investor if imagin sbi premium of 30 then we can earn 75 rs without risk must apply
71. DR.VRUSHABH PATIL |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 8:14:29 PM
i am confused bet energy india &general insurance
70. IPOmaster.jaipur |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 8:10:36 PM
It will firm allotment like Sbi or icici ????
Because more big from that two.
Hope everyone get 100%
69. IPOmaster.jaipur |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 8:10:35 PM
It will firm allotment like Sbi or icici ????
Because more big from that two.
Hope everyone get 100%
68. rohit mishra |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 7:39:49 PM
Yaaa bro
67. Ravi Kant |   Link |  Bookmark | October 5, 2017 8:05:17 PM
If I am to get full allotment against my full application, I would like to get discount on entire amount. rather than applying in small IPOs 15 times and getting one allotment.
67.1. rohit mishra |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 7:39:23 PM
Ok yaa
66. Ficpl |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 10:27:36 AM
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I think it can definitely list above 950 if market will be in the current range.

Retailers will have 100+ profit. DO APPLY
66.2. rohit mishra |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 7:35:37 PM
120 to 160 approx
Mil jayega
66.3. rohit mishra |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 7:38:02 PM
120 to 160 approx
Mil jayega
Godrej agrovet 150 to 160
Mas finance 125 to 140
Indian energy 300 to 350 approx
Confirm brothers
65. Hiren K. |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 9:43:15 AM
Big equity size of IPO hence may be small listing gain as per history of BIG IPO issue, and hope everyone get allotment in IPO in RII category...
65.1. ipo jam |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 6:45:25 PM
Coal india give 20% profit
65.2. AnkurGoel |   Link |  Bookmark | October 6, 2017 7:00:35 PM
Coal India was priced attractively. These days even govt is not pricing the share reasonably. Let us see what will be the fate of this Ipo.