Now the big question whether the Issue will be priced at the lower band of 855 to offer more comfort to Retail Bidders. Another worry is Zero participation so far from FIIs and MFs.
Ur n many other people grouse is .. Rpower n Rcom have given losses..
I do not consider relcapital,relinfra stock price as loss because people bought at peak,thats trading loss, and in any case relcapital,relinfra and rcom were given as free shares to every Reliance Ind Holder when demerger of RIL took place in Jan 2006
All shareholders of RIL will get shares of the four new firms in a ratio of 1:1. This means RIL shareholders will get one share each of Reliance Communications Ventures (face value Rs 5), Reliance Energy Ventures (Rs 10), Global Fuel Management Services (Rs 5) and Reliance Capital Ventures (Rs 10) for eac
Reliance energy ventures and Global fuel management are - Relinfra and RNRL was merged into Relifnra
Relcapital ventures is Relcapital..
Talk with logic. Don''t think people are fool here.
How long you are in this forum? You just started at present at the time of Reliance Nippon IPO. This is the thing that you are 100% paid agent.
You are talking about Tata group. Why you are not say anything about TCS, Tata Elexi, Tata Global, Tata Chemical etc. See the records of dividends paid by Tata group companies including Tata steel. Compare return by all ADAG group companies. If may possible telecom industry is in trouble but what happen to RPower, RCapital, RDefence etc.
You are saying all ADAG company shares are free after Reliance Demerger in 2005 then it looks like you don''t have any knowledge of accounting.
Shantanu ghosh .U r not furnished with proper knowledge.TCS now struggle 2500 !!!! R u know when TCS offer buy back n what level . After buy back @2400 now it''s level is so good.
@gosh. Forget about what I''m smoking. It''s hard argue with your point of free shares and equating airtel which traded at 630 now trading at 430 (after split) and saying TCS struggling at 2400 for 4 years. So i leave my discussion here. I see no point arguing.
@ rest. Sorry guys. This is my last message here on Reliance Nippon.
Airtel still has not managed to cross its 2007 high 541 in dec 2007 ( adjusted split) , So it was in fact 1085 rupees , now its 400 ( 800 if u dont consider split) ( adjusted all corporate action, check charts)
Get basic knowledge before commenting.. at least have a look at chart of Bharti Airtel.Lolzz
All ADAG stocks baring Rpower were given free to Reliance Share holders as free shares in 2005
Here is detail
All shareholders of RIL will get shares of the four new firms in a ratio of 1:1. This means RIL shareholders will get one share each of Reliance Communications Ventures (face value Rs 5), Reliance Energy Ventures (Rs 10), Global Fuel Management Services (Rs 5) and Reliance Capital Ventures (Rs 10) for each
Now if someone has bought Rcom at 850, Relcapital at 2600 and not maintained stop loss u cannot blame promoters, that is trading loss. I am talking of investors.
Reliance have created huge wealth for retail investors over the years long before Tata came. Tata share holding is restricted,everything goes to TATA sons, the trustee, Check share holding of tata and reliance companies.
Reliance power ( IPO) failed because power sector issues started in 2008 due to coal scam. Tatas,birlas, jindal all were named in Coal scam. None of Steel companies except non ferrous have managed to recover.
Tata power staring at huge losses at Mudra, only saving grace is defense order they get.
Yes Shantanu you have made your point. We will subscribe to Reliance Nippon.. but for the time being please can we not post any further message on Reliance. I am seriously looking for GIC issue discussion over here.
Do u know what is float of tcs shares just 4% ie means with little float it enjoyed scarcity premium,Now that IT biz is slowing down, stock has petered off, Buy back is gimmick to talk up the shares, Its been 3 years now, TCS has not given any wealth, in fact for next 2-3 years TCS will not see 3000 level simply because Stock is in down turn.
Anil Ambani ki ye company bhi chor company hai. RCOM ke khilaf Tech Mahindra ne already NCLT mein insolvency proceedings ke liye apply kiya hai. RCOM has to pay mere Rs. 8 Crore to tech machindra, before some time, Ericson India has also filed same type of application against RCOM.
SEBI should interfere in this IPO and restrict Mr. Ambani to float this IPO as his promoted company is already facing insolvency proceedings in NCLT, it is clear wrong intention of Mr. Ambani to take interest free money from market and cheat Indian Public.
Earlier in Reliance Power, he sold shares @ 430/- and within few days of listing they have given bonus shares to shareholders, how they have made such high valuations of their shares, and when it was falling they given bonus shares to innocent investors.
So friend avoid it clearly
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October 13, 2017 12:14:08 PM
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@ sood, cho000r toh tu hai, RCOM were free shares given to all Reliance Share holders post demerger in 2005, why should Anil or anyone pay if u have bought shares from secondary market? Rpower is only IPO that has listed in Discount in history of Reliance
btw Reliance Industries is largest mcap company in India, with highest profitability.World class refinery, telecom infrastructure ( JIO).
Rcom ( anil) sank because of various hurdles during UPA govt
For your Info Tata steel, TTML ( closed down), have not given any returns to shareholders since 2007 Tata steel made high of 900 in 2007, its around 700 now
Bharti made high of 600+ its 400 now .. its been 10 years since.. i can list many such companies from Tata, Bharti,Birla house
Relcapital was just 60 rupee share in 2002-2003, REliance share holder got free shares in Relicapital,Rcom,Reliance energy and even from those 2002-2003 levels, stocks have gone up by 10-15x times.
Only exception being Rcom and Rpower -- Rpower will neways go up, Even tata power is in big trouble. Stock has failed to cross 80 in past 10years due to Mundra. So even Tata are choors by ur definition?
All power and telecom companies have given loss to investors since 2007. GMR, GVK, Tata steel,. Bharti, TTML, IDEA, JIndal steel.. list goes on why single out Ambanis? vested interest?
talk with logic, counter my points.. Which telecom or power companies have given return since 2007?? Tata companies tata steel still 33% down froom 2007 High.
Instead of ad hominems counter my points. Bharti telecom has not breached its 2007 high of 630 , its been 10 years..
and its easy to label everyone as ADAG broker. Get a life and get matured.
This biz is total different, Relcapital mutual fund has given highest profit in history to its fund holders. Do study before commenting on stock market.
@ gosh. First of all I didn''t find logic in your comment. There is nothing called free shares. Company got split, and investors were given their share in splitted companies as per valuations. RNRL used to be around 2,000. And it fell like newtons apple and merged in to Rpower, which even after 9 years quoting around 1/5 of it''s IPO price. I repeat it''s RNRL+Rpower at still at 1/5 of Rpowers IPO price. And RCOM is trading at 16, from highs of 2008. As you compared with Bharati Airtel, it''s 2007 high was 533, now trading at 433. Remember, Airtel splitted in 2009. So where is sense in your post. What happened to RCAP???
How long you are in this forum? You just started at present at the time of Reliance Nippon IPO. This is the thing that you are 100% paid agent.
You are talking about Tata group. Why you are not say anything about TCS, Tata Elexi, Tata Global, Tata Chemical etc. See the records of dividends paid by Tata group companies including Tata steel. See the dividend payment records of Tata Power also.
Compare return by all ADAG group companies. It may possible telecom industry is in trouble but what happen to Reliance Power, Reliance Capital, Reliance Defence etc.
You are saying all ADAG company shares are free after Reliance Demerger in 2005 then it looks like you don''t have any knowledge of accounting.
Airtel still has not managed to cross its 2007 high 541 in dec 2007, now its 400 ( adjusted all corporate action, check charts)
RNRL never traded at 2000! what u smoking.. RNRL was SPV company
Relcapital was Rs 185 before demerger -- People got free shares 1 :1 for every one held in Reliance Ind - Now its trading at 551 high in 2007 was 2372 now u cannot complain that it was 2372 and now its 551, that is not the point here..
REL INFRA was rupees 430 before demerger - People got free shares 1:1, Now its trading at 467, It made high of 2164 in 2007.
RNRL was merged with Rel energy later named as Rel infra - So RNRL never traded at 2000 levels, it was SPV company
RCOM -- All Reliance Ind Share holders were allotted free shares in ratio of 1:1 in 2006 -- It was not IPO - Its 16 bucks. It made high of 850 in 2007, Basically zero rupee share at 16 is still profitable for Investors of RIL , yes traders like you made loss because u bought from secondary market.
Rpower - Only genuine Loss making IPO @ RS 272 now 42, but lets not forget no power companies have created wealth in past 10 years.
I anticipate this to be a money bagger for the future. Very few players worldwide in reinsurance business and it is a niche one with lots of margin in revenue. Hold on to it and if you see a dip put in your fingers to get some more.
No Doubt a good long term investment.. but RII will not cross 50 %,, Others/QIB get some 10 Crore Shares at Cut off....hence hefty discount for few days after listing...like SBI Life...I have applied 2X224 but review by 1430 Hrs..
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October 13, 2017 1:57:25 PM
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As the response is very poor and Government is very generous in awarding the poor people''s money paid by them by way taxes,to the white colored people, such as employees, we can expect CUT-OFF at lower price band or some where in between upper and Lower.
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October 13, 2017 1:56:01 PM
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As the response is very poor and Government is very generous in awarding the poor peoples to the white colored people such as employees, we can expect CUT-OFF at lower price band or some where in between upper and Lower.
Uchit Patel sir , since last 3 yrs u post n shere ur view ,but not very regular.one thing I noticed in ur post ,u always give clear view with full confidence.also I didn''t found u failed. Here u recommend for listings gain n mid to long term . Sir ,is it possible +900 + in listings n hold for a day.
Yes Arup. I am not regularly posting my views. I am long term investor. I am always looking for good opportunity in stock market. My full time profession is not finance or investment sector. I am busy in other profession. I am trying my best to provide views but because of busy schedule it is not possible sometime.
It is possible GIC will list more than 900 also. One thing we need to understand on listing day LIC and other government finds, mutual funds will try to keep GIC price round about 900. We have Rs. 45 discount. We are always safe because of Rs. 45 discount.
Shoud we apply at price of 855 because it can not subscribed more than100 percent or should we have put two bid.one at 855 and another at 912.pls reply fast.i am a listing gainer