GIC issue - LIC will bail out. This is long term bet.Difficult biz to understand. PE (premature ejaaa like traders/investors should avoid this because this stock will not give instant gains.This company will create wealth. Directly linked with Farmer crop insurance,Industrial Infra insurance. This is long term story in making.
Sir I had bid GIC IPO around 7.00 pm through ASBA yesterday after trading hours...Will my application be considered or not ....Do I need bid again ... Please Clarity
@subraman the key to check for consideration is whether the postal you applied from accepted the application or not. Since it did and it should have its considered. The logic that works is any application posted before the last days cut off will be accepted.
@subraman the key to check for consideration is whether the portal you applied from accepted the application or not. Since it did and it should have its considered. The logic that works is any application posted before the last days cut off will be accepted.
shantanu prabhu aap to mahaan ho , :) since in RCAP & RINFRA people loose monay as they invested at top , so its trading loss. So you mean to say since Maruti is at top , we cannot buy it as woule be loss.
Good companies if bought at any price gives returns in 5 yrs time frame , RCAP & RINFRA gave loss even in 10 years timeframe.
All biz goes thru cycle.. Tata power, Tata steel, Indian hotel,TRF, have not created wealth for people in past 10 years.. all tata group companies,
L&T for longest time didnt created wealth n only in past 2 years started moving
Point is investment.. People who were holding Reliance Industries in 2005 pre merger ( when bro split biz) are still in profit because they got all stocks free.
Now as far as top was made, look maruti will survive now but ru sure in next 10 years it willl double from 7000? with electric cars making a beeline? So many stocks and biz have closed down, marquee Industralists have gone off radar. What goes up comes down.
Bharati, tata power, tata steel, ONGC, NTPC,BHEl have given loss in 10 years time frame just like Relcap, Relinfra... are they also bad?
Point is every bull run is different back in 2007 Infra/power/Telecom stocks were darling of market, in this bull run its BANK,NBFC,Finance,Consumer goods n Autos.
Ur Pratap snack analysis fell on flat face lolzz Stock listed with huge premium.And just because u cannot run pan shop u cannot call everyone chor. Sood are known chors .. we know famous sood surname.
Shareholders of Reliance got Free shares ( as part of demerger) Ur fool not me. For Reliance Share holders - So eg if someone had 100 shares of Reliance in 2005 before demerger , they got 100 shares in
1) relcapital 2) Rel infra 3) Rcom at zero bucks. Their investment was zero.
people like u who have bought from secondary market may have made loss, that is trading loss.This is IPO board, so we are discussing about Investment not trading gains.
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Dear Mr. Pande ,
You used a very dignified term AGENT for Ghosh , actually he is bhadva . On one of my comment on Ambani borthers , not directed or replied to Ghosht , he shot back at me as Chor .
No one is paid agent, i am not even asking people to subscribe to Reliance nippon IPO, Point was with malafide intention some people on forum were doing jugglery with numbers, so i countered them. Btw Nippon are marquee Investors n not only will stock list in premium, they dont need Retail investors to keep them afloat, will command mcap of 16,000 crore post listing pop.Its third largest AUM.
Just because TTML has closed down doesnt make tata chors,
Just because L&T twins have not given return doesnt make L&T chors
Just because Bharati has not given any returns to share holders in past 10 years dont make them chors,
Similarly failure of Rcom or Power dont make Anil a chor.
In coming year u will find insurance sector will be gem of market ... For next10 year ... Qib and hni are willing to take the share at lower price post listing from retailers as retailer will try to sell as it is never tommorw and company is going to bankrupcy where fi and mf will buy it and will sell back to retailer after 5- 6 year on a higher price ... And individual will buy thinking it will triple again in 2 -3 year ... I applied it seeing the fundamental and diversified area of business ... And growth in coming year ... I wont sale on listing... It is my fd for 5 year which will triple in my opinion
GIC IPO: I recommend GIC IPO with ‘Apply’ for listing gain and mid to long term.
If we see the financial performance, brand name, business, market leader in reinsurance, proven track record, monopoly etc. all looks satisfactory. These gives me green signal.
Only big concern is asking price. It is asking about 30 P/E. We don’t have listing peers available in India. We cann’t compare with ICICI Lombard, ICICI Prudential or SBI Life. They are in insurance sector and GIS is mainly in reinsurance. If we look at major international listed player Swiss Re, Munich Re, Hannover then they are available at around 12 P/E. In that case GIC looks very costly. But insurance, reinsurance business in India is different because of direct government involvement (owners of LIC, GIC, New India etc.), Monopoly of government companies, strict norms to foreign companies and direct foreign investment in insurance business.
Listing will be at same price or Rs. 50 more than issue price. Retail investors will get Rs. 45 discount. On listing retail investor, will make minimum Rs. 1000 on one lot.
Some of Reasons why it will list positive or at same price:
Promoter is Government of India. Government has very big disinvestment target of Rs. 75000 crores for year 2017-18. It reached to half till now. Many other government insurance sector companies are in pipeline i.e New India for big IPOs. Government wants to build confidence in retail investors. If we see last in 7 year large offers (more than Rs. 7000 crore) from Government, then retail investors always make money on listing. Some examples Coal India IPO -2010, Coal India OFS – 2015, Power Grid FPO – 2013, NTPC OFS – 2017. It is also sure investors will not get listing gain like Coal India but 7 to 10% listing gain is possible. It is also possible high sell volume from retail investors on listing day. On listing day, many government funded DIIs like LIC, PSU Bank funds, mutual funds etc. will buy from open market and try to keep price over issue price. First company in reinsurance business is going to list.
It will fully subscribe. I suggest retail investors should go with one lot only. Chances are high that each retail investor will get one lot.
Investors should think little differently. If we apply in any good ipo which is good in asking price, good grey market, good financial nos. etc. then chances are likely 1 to 4 or 1to 5 in allotment. We hardly make Rs. 4000 to Rs. 5000 on listing day from one allotted lot. Here we have firm allotment with only Rs. 1000 listing gain. But firm allotment makes same profit of Rs. 4000 to Rs. 5000 for 4 to 5 applications.
Employee category subscription crossed 60% at 11 AM. This is good sign. They have full trust on company. They are getting same discount of Rs. 45 as retail. Normally in Big PSU IPOs employee category always under subscribe.
@Uchit Patel - I follow all your posts, the information you share is very useful. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and guiding us.
In case of GIC, seeing the QIB (mostly subscribed by LIC) and NIIs not very keen on this IPO...Not feeling very confident on what drives the demand for these shares to see the premium to the RIIs price of 867.
I apply IPOs only for listing gains...Can you please advise what could be the bottom price in a worst scenario on listing day.