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59. ipo chart |   Link |  Bookmark | March 10, 2008 10:12:18 PM
dont ever apply in this bad ipo.
They are trying to foll people by part payment so that people get stuck in their ipo.
teach them a lesson.this stock is not even worth 50 rs.
again greedy people chck urself they have themselves subscribed in non retail which would be withdrawn just to show taht they are getting subscribed.
foolish prmoters they have already in lot of scams with bridge collapse earlier.

i will never invest in such cheater company
instaed go for dlf,powergrid,power finace ,ntpc,mundraport
these stocks are already available at such attractive price and after holding for 15 days these stock will guarantee give you atleast 20% returns wheraes in gaman infra you will lo0se 20% on listing
so choice is urs u want to go for 20% gain or 20% loss
58. Gurudev |   Link |  Bookmark | March 10, 2008 5:47:46 PM
Avoid Gammon Infrastructure IPO: Experts

Gammon Infrastructure Projects (GIPL), an infrastructure project development company promoted by Gammon Group, is open for subscription with its initial public offering (IPO) of 1,65,50,000 equity shares of face value Rs 10 each for a cash price to be determined through a 100% book building process. The issue will close on March 13, 2008. The price band has been fixed between Rs 167 and Rs 200 per equity share.

Moneycontrol conducted a poll on market experts to check whether to apply for the public issue or not. Experts said don't apply.

Experts/Company
Poll Result Experts view

R S Iyer

(KR Choksey)
Don’t Apply
Investors should ignore primary market for the time being as the market sentiments are weak. All stocks are available at cheap price range in the secondary market.

SP Tulsian

(Investment Advisor)
Don’t Apply
Gammon Infrastructure Projects IPO is open for subscription. One fails to understand the logic of valuing the company at an expected market capitalization of Rs 2,500 crore even at the lower price band of Rs 167 per share and at Rs 2900 crore at the upper price band of Rs 200 per share. This is despite the fact that the books of the company show a debt of Rs 700 crore on completed projects and would be assuming a debt of Rs 1,886 crore for two road projects of 132 kms, one 66MW hydro power project and one bridge on river Kosi. Of these, a 100 kms road project has got just a 70% stake of the company.

The company is now going in for 10 more projects of which seven are in development phase and three are in pre-development phase. Of these 10 projects, financial closure has been made for four projects only. This implies that the balance sheet of the company, on consolidated basis, would keep ballooning with debt.

If we go by the comparative peers IRB Infrastructure, a company recently having gone public, have 512 kms of road, on toll basis in operation, including Mumbai Pune Expressway of 206 kms. Even this company has market capitalisation of just Rs 6,200 crore. Apart from this, IRB has 66% interest in a 1,400 acre realty project being developed near Pune. GVK Power, a player developing the Mumbai Airport, as also having interest in various road and power projects has a market capitalization of Rs 5,300 crore. Even the promoter of the company, Gammon India market capitalization is Rs 4,100 crore. So, on all the parameters, the valuation of the company looks quite stretched and over valued.

The expanded equity base of the company would be Rs 144.55 crore, which also looks quite high considering its level of activity. Even six months performance for the period from April 07’ to September 07’ is not good enough to attract investors. During this period, total income was at Rs 84 crore with PAT of Rs 10.95 crore. During FY07, total income was at Rs 109 crore with a PAT of Rs 29.85 crore.

There are many better stocks available in the secondary market with much better and diverse business model and also at attractive valuations. Hence it is not prudent and advised to go in for this issue, even at the lower price band of Rs 167.

Investors can avail of two modes of payment. Under Payment Method-1, the amount payable on submission of the bid-cum-application form (in case of retail individual bidders and non-institutional bidders) is Rs 50 per equity share (such that it shall not be less than 25% of the issue price). And the balance payable shall be paid by the due date. Non-resident bidders cannot make use of Payment Method-1. Under Payment Method-II, the amount payable on submission of the bid-cum-application form in the case of retail individual bidders and non-institutional bidders shall be 100% of the bid amount, and, in the case QIBs, will be 10% of the bid amount with the balance being payable on allocation.

Presently, GIPL undertakes and develops projects such as roads, bridges, ports, hydroelectric power and biomass power projects on a PPP basis.

The Issue proceeds will be utilised to:

Contribute to a part of the investment required by KBICL, its subsidiary formed for the design, construction, finance & maintenance of a 1.8 kilometer long four-lane bridge across river Kosi including 8.2 kilometers long approach roads and Guide bund & Afflux bund on NH-57 in the Supaul district of Bihar;
For the investment required by GICL, its subsidiary formed for the design, construction, finance & maintenance of a 32 kilometer long four-lane bypass to Gorakhpur town on NH-28 in the state of Uttar Pradesh;
For the investment required by SHPVL, its subsidiary formed for developing the Rangit-II hydroelectric power project in the state of Sikkim;
For infusion of funds into MNEL, its subsidiary formed for the four-laning of the 99.5 kilometers Vadape-Gonde section (between Mumbai and Nasik) of NH 3 on BOT basis;
Repayment of loan to Gammon India Limited and general corporate purposes and investment in strategic initiatives and acquisitions.
The book running lead managers to the issue are IDFC-SSKI Private Limited and Macquarie Capital Advisers (India) Private Limited . The co-book running lead manager to the issue is Collins Stewart Inga Private Limited.
57. trilok |   Link |  Bookmark | March 10, 2008 4:51:15 PM
Correction.
I cannot post the wiki url.
( Since it has org in url )

Search for "sun outage" in google. you will get Wikipedia site address.
56. trilok |   Link |  Bookmark | March 10, 2008 4:46:53 PM
Sun outage is explained nicely in Wikipedia site.
Since I can post the wiki url. Search for "sun outage" in google. you will get Wikipedia site address.

explained in wiki site as:

A sun outage is an interruption in geostationary satellite signals.

In India, the BSE (Bombay Stock Exchange) and NSE (National Stock Exchange) use VSATs (Very Small Aperture Terminal) for members to connect to their trading systems. VSATs depend upon satellites for connectivity between the terminals/systems. Hence these exchanges are affected due to the sun outage.
55. paresh |   Link |  Bookmark | March 10, 2008 4:38:57 PM
any body can says that the rec refund order when we gate ?
54. Kedi |   Link |  Bookmark | March 10, 2008 1:51:02 PM
Can anyone Please tell me the Meaning of Sun Outage, which is used in Share Market
53. Vivek |   Link |  Bookmark | March 10, 2008 11:59:07 AM
It was already subscribed by 24 Percent within 1 Hour. Does it men it will be subscribed havily. We should apply or not
52. sanjay patel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 10, 2008 8:16:45 AM
buy RPL AND HOLD FOR ONE YEAR
51. SachinG |   Link |  Bookmark | March 9, 2008 12:28:13 PM
Now its time to buy from Secondary Market (not from IPOs)
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GMR Infra, IRB infra, Ispat, Sujana, Praj ind, Dena bank, so many stocks r NOW available @ below there valuation prises... . Why sud we waist out time & money in IPOs.?
50. om parkash |   Link |  Bookmark | March 9, 2008 11:42:11 AM
avoid all these big dacoits.use your brain.ask for book value.do not apply above book value. let us unite and make them learn a lesson.
49. Aniltohana |   Link |  Bookmark | March 9, 2008 10:39:37 AM
irb infrastucture is much better than gammon infra than why u r trying this
48. Profit |   Link |  Bookmark | March 8, 2008 7:04:58 PM
GAMMON PRAMOTERS ARE HAVING GOOD EXPERIENCE OF PRICE REGGING IN THERE OWN SHARES EXPECT SAME STORY IN THERE IPO TO
47. Sharemahaguru |   Link |  Bookmark | March 8, 2008 3:22:28 PM
Gammon Infrastructure Projects is entering the capital market on 10th March 2008, with a public issue of 165.50 lakh equity shares of Rs.10 each, in the price band of Rs.167 to Rs.200 per share. At the lower band, the issue size would be Rs.276 crore while at the upper band, it would be of Rs.331 crore.



We felt that the issuer would have, by now, learnt the lessons from the recent debacles in the primary market and would have accordingly priced their IPO at a more realistic level. But looks like the company has either missed the point of the lesson completely or has plainly, decided to ignore it completely.



One fails to understand the logic of valuing the company at an expected market capitalization of Rs.2,500 even at the lower price band of Rs.167 per share and at Rs.2,900 crore at the upper price band of Rs.200 per share. This is despite the fact that the books of the company show a debt of Rs.700 crore on completed projects and would be assuming a debt of Rs.1,886 crore for two road projects of 132 kms, one 66MW hydro power project and one bridge on river Kosi. Of these, a 100 kms road project has got just a 70% stake of the company.



The present business of the company comprises of two annuity road projects of 100 kms, one 700 meter bridge and multipurpose berths at Visakhapatanam port. In the earlier three projects, the stake of the company is about 94% to 98%, while in the port project it is about 42%.



The company is now going in for 10 more projects of which seven are in development phase and three are in pre-development phase. Of these 10 projects, financial closure has been made for four projects only. This implies that the balance sheet of the company, on consolidated basis, would keep ballooning with debt.



The net worth of the company as at 30/09.07 was at Rs.243.07 crore of which accrued profit is just Rs.18.20 crore while Rs.224.50 crore is from share capital and share premium. Of the present equity of Rs.128 crore, shares of Rs.112 crore have been issued to promoters at par while only 1.60 crore shares have been issued at Rs.75.88 to one private equity investor. Now the public issue is being made at Rs.167 (lower band) per share. But will the public get lured into it?



Maybe to attract the investors, only Rs.50 is being asked from the Retail and HNI investors on application. But we do not think that this strategy would work.



If we go by the comparative peers IRB Infrastructure, a company recently having gone public, have 512 kms of road, on toll basis in operation, including Mumbai Pune Expressway of 206 kms. Even this company has market capitalisation of just Rs.6,200 crore. Apart from this, IRB has 66% interest in a 1,400 acre realty project being developed near Pune. GVK Power, a player developing the Mumbai Airport, as also having interest in various road and power projects has a market capitalization of Rs.5,300 crore. Even the promoter of the company, Gammon India market capitalization is Rs.4,100 crore. So, on all the parameters, the valuation of the company looks quite stretched and over valued.



The expanded equity base of the company would be Rs.144.55 crore, which also looks quite high considering its level of activity. Even six months performance for the period from April 07’ to September 07’ is not good enough to attract investors. During this period, total income was at Rs.84 crore with PAT of Rs.10.95 crore. During FY07, total income was at Rs.109 crore with a PAT of Rs.29.85 crore.



There are many better stocks available in the secondary market with much better and diverse business model and also at attractive valuations. Hence it is not prudent and advised to go in for this issue, even at the lower price band of Rs.167.


46. Gurudev |   Link |  Bookmark | March 8, 2008 11:51:44 AM

Avoid applying to any issue..better buy from the secondary market... some good stocks are available at 50-75% discount...

market will definitely recover in 3 months...
45. profitFrmit |   Link |  Bookmark | March 8, 2008 12:05:39 AM
DILUTION IS AROUND 12%....
44. nuts |   Link |  Bookmark | March 7, 2008 1:32:27 PM
The issue would not get subscribed even 0.5 times with this kind of a market sentiment.

Avoid applying, its as good as making money
43. xtreemer |   Link |  Bookmark | March 7, 2008 10:23:10 AM
31. Samarjeet
thanks samarjeet!
me 2 not interested in this just for the reason u gave. Still interested in knowing the info that where this PART-PAYMENT option is given officially. Please provide the link if u can. :) thanks in advance
42. Nageswara rao |   Link |  Bookmark | March 7, 2008 10:05:36 AM
The company has very bad creditials in its pocket.

1. Flyover in Hyderabad - No official of the company had come out to help the injured people by the flyover. They just shyed away. Proper compensation was not paid to the victims. They had gone away without any case due to their political connections.

2. SEBI has barred the company from accessing the capital markets due to charges that the Gammon was routing the company’s funds to subscribe to its rights issue.

3. The companys hunger to grab money from the public can be assessed by comming to market immediately after the expiry of the ban.

All investors please unite and teach this company a lesson by not investing.
41. Anand |   Link |  Bookmark | March 6, 2008 2:04:01 PM
One can very well go for GMR Infra which is quoting at attractive levels rather than going for this Gammon IPO.

There are lot of positives for GMR and the Hyderabad airport is scheduled to open shortly and they are going to make good money. Though there is some issues now with regard to collecting UDF from all passengers who use the new airport, i hope that will be sorted out soon.
40. AD |   Link |  Bookmark | March 6, 2008 9:49:13 AM
Even Investors guide, the supplement with ET didn't gave any article on the Company's financials. Some guys are not able to download the RHP from the site of both SEBI & Lead managers. There is lack of clarity on the EPS and the resultant PE. To add to that the Company is giving part payment facility which implies they are unsure about the participation of retail applicants. All looks fishy.