In Star cement buyback, out of 850 shares eligible, only 158 have been accepted. Seeing the ER at around 13% I decided to tender only 400 shares out of total 850 and sold rest in open market. Can anybody tell why less shares have been accepted as the AR is 27.60%???
33.3. Ou Ai| Link| Bookmark|
October 15, 2021 10:21:26 AM
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@Ashish Khater ER is computed on number of shares on record date. On tendering number of shares exactly as per ER it gets accepted in toto 100%. For Example in this case for 850 shares on record date entitlement of 111 shares at @13% gets accepted as far one submits 111 or more.
AR is derived from after allocating untendered remaining shares in the quota reserved for those holding below Rs. 200000/- on record date. After accepting all shares tendered by shareholders as per ER, remaining shares are accepted as additional shares in proportion to shares submitted , but not exceeding total shares on record date. Actually acceptance ratio = entitlement ratio+ additional acceptance ratio on extra shares. In here 27.6=13+14.60 approximate.
In your example after accepting 111 shares , a maximum of 108 shares @0.146 of remaining 739 shares as on record date (850-111=739) can be accepted subject to your tendering. This would have been 219 of 850 @ 26% . But, if one tenders less at 400 , then it is about 155 (158 on exact calculation) (400-111=289 @0.146 +111) got accepted. Figures may not exactly match due to decimals that are considered till last digits. In reality for you AR is 158 out of 400 @39.5% as ER on 850 and extra AR on rest.
It is better to tender entire quantity as on record date. Else AR is always considered in an order with 100% ER first and extra acceptance followed by extra shares tendered subject to holdings on record date.
AR is higher due to several shareholders with less than Rs.200000/- not tendering due to ignorance this method.AR also increases if share price closes with buy back price wherein shareholders do not tender on expectation of market price exceeding buy back price.
PS: Buy back benefits are diminishing with more and more shareholders buying in hoards before record date to be in less than 200000/- category ...
Thank you so much for the detailed reply. Got it now. Can you please guide where i can raise my issue of not getting money into my bank account for the accepted shares??
Jai Jinendra.....Ipo bharo aur bharne Do....
33.5. Aniketiaf| Link| Bookmark|
October 15, 2021 4:07:19 PM
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Ashish ji,
First you check the balance amount of your Trading account. Some times buyback amount is credited there also. Otherwise you can mail with full detail like DEMET ACCOUNT NO, PAN, NO OF SHARES TENDERED/ACCEPTED to -
Likes ji, I honour your suggestions and will be taken note of.
31.1. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
October 15, 2021 6:47:39 PM
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Thank so you much for understanding :) I am seeing so many of your messages on investor zone site also in respective buyback pages since I also apply sometimes in buybacks so I keep checking, like in eclerx in recently , same way I am sure we can make Chittorgarh buyback pages also happening by making active discussions there :)
Sir @KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA, you are gem of a person. Very innocent and kind. please be like that. Thank you for sharing your comments on the buyback, I do check for your messages.
Kamma sir Fino payment k page par Dussehra ka badhai sandesh ?? KHUJLI gang kavi v active ho sakta hai. Bach k sir ji Anyway Happy Vijayadasmi to u and your family.
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October 15, 2021 3:46:51 PM
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Happy Dussehra to you and your family kamma sir .....
And even after explaining so many times and so well, seems some people not able to understand my message properly that buyback has seperate pages for discussions, and so any other off topic messages are absolutely fine. May be they don''t understand english properly so keep chanting khujli etc. Instead of giving some proper logic.
Btw one thing is for sure as someone else also told in other thread regarding buybacks, that since now so many people are participating in buybacks (buying only for buyback purpose) so they are definitely loosing their shine and will not be much profitable going forward due to low acceptance ratio, because unlike IPOs, gains in buybacks directly depends on number of participation.
Why disappointed ?? GANDHI TUBES is just 3 to 4 percent down from its rate before record date. Maine 455 k rate par 333 shares liye the. Agar mai cmp par left shares bech dun to v mujhe lagbhag 10000 ka fayda ho raha hai.
why people not understanding that registrar have nothing to do with allotment it all depends on luck people keep repeating same line everytime registrar linkintime hai to allotment nahi milega aur milega to cartrade jaise me milega
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October 20, 2021 12:08:11 AM
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October 20, 2021 11:12:41 PM
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@i for ipo: in your main posts, you clearly mentioned: "not hoping for any allotment" and now you are telling its not about allotment. For your main post, its clear that due to linkin-time, you are not hoping for any allotment, and which is common thinking for many members but not correct as explained by param....
Dear all, it is purely decided on lottery basis. What we can do is, apply from as many as PANs possible...
Keep trying
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October 13, 2021 1:34:24 PM
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As expected, Sansera had started its up move after a nice consolidation in the 790-805 levels. Let us see if it manages to cross 1000 which will depend on its quarterly results.
27.1. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
October 13, 2021 8:01:54 PM
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1000 is far away...let it cross it''s 52 week high price 860 rs first since just today it has moved in so many days.... Cartrade after showing some move again hovering around 1400 from many days.
CarTrade showed some support at 1400+ then moved back again.
Always in restraint of Mrs. Crow.
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October 14, 2021 3:08:54 AM
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I think CarTrade will again go up because volume is not supporting fall. It will going down with less volume. I guess it''s a jerk to throw out more weak hand before it starts upward journey again. Experts views are welcomed 🙏🏻
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October 14, 2021 3:32:37 PM
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Jethalal no expectations from Cartrade ..proved to be a 3rd class IPO
27.5. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
October 14, 2021 3:38:51 PM
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@Have faith: i am with you, cartrade broke our trust and testing our patience :( Surprisingly, all recent ipo''s didnt performed in last 2-3 weeks duration where nifty rallied around 1K points....sansera/aptus/nuvovo/devyani/vijaya/gls/cartrade/ami-organics....
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October 14, 2021 3:50:18 PM
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@lokes Ami already got doubled from its ipo price ...so we can''t say about AMI and yes all other you mentioned totally underperformed ...even cartrade and aptus are below issue price
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October 14, 2021 3:52:26 PM
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In devyani daily Delivery percentage is very high but share is daily going down by .5 paise or 1 rupee or remains flats ...any reason ??
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October 14, 2021 3:55:20 PM
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@Sangwan yes very much relevant ....
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October 14, 2021 4:00:23 PM
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@Sangwan
Yes very much relevant to ipo .....
27.11. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
October 14, 2021 4:00:30 PM
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@have faith: ya you are correct that ami organics doubled but soon after the ipo price, i was just mentioning in recent 2-3 weeks, all these ipos didnt performed well. ya still its on huge profit but surely remaining are laggards.
@sangwan: this discussion is regarding to some recent mainboard ipo which is not running now and over....and buyback page is still running and active....so dont try to compare different things......just by pointing to these other discussions, we cant justify that buyback discussions are right on mainboard ipo. And before giving logic that buybacks pages are not active and no one posting there, everyone needs to understand that whoever is posting here is also from that "no one", so simply someone needs to start the discussions there and then those pages will also become happening and lively.
@ Sangwan, Sorry to say, you may dont understand the spirit of @lokes message earlier and try to target him.
Even this dicussion not relevant to the current running IPO, its any way earlier main board IPO discussion. Its very important for people to share their inputs here, take some guidances from experts.
@ipobull, I second your opinion. (my personal opinion is that ''Sansera'' will easily cross 1000, those who have patience to wait for this year end.)
thanks
27.14. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
October 14, 2021 9:58:45 PM
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Have Faith ji have some faith in your investment if you have CarTrade. Recent shareholding pattern clearly indicates that institution lapped this share with fall and only retailers exited. Retail shareholding decreased from 18% to 14%. Market is little skeptical of its result and noise of competition everyday but this market (2nd hand car) is so big that there is enough growth for everyone. Delivery % is suggesting that shares are accumulated before it runs again and hopefully it will run rapidly post quarter result. There is no return without risk and those have ability to take risk will only rewarded handsomely.
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October 14, 2021 11:37:38 PM
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IPO trader ji This issue has been sorted now. Retailers have 14.19% as on 30 September shareholding data. Foreign portfolio investors increased from 11% to 16%. FPI are more patient and informative investors than retailers.
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October 15, 2021 9:49:10 AM
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I believe that Rishiroop joins R Systems to benefit the investors, unlike Star Cements. I think Investors are not happy with the Star Cements, irrespective of the reasons. Sir, I believe that the AR of Gandhi Special Tubes is not bad, though not encouraging. I am eagerly n hopefully waiting for the outcome of the buyback of Eclerx, Goldiam International and Nucleus Software. Thank you.
@KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA ji, Goldiam has fixed Wednesday, October 27, 2021 as the Record Date for the purpose of determining the entitlement and the names of equity shareholders who are eligible to participate in the buyback offer of the Company. What will be your strategy now? According to your experience does the share price fall after record date or announcement of record date?
Around Rs. 950/-, you can purchase. Normally share price falls after the record date. There may be a few exceptions. Thank you.
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October 11, 2021 7:53:04 PM
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In Rsystem buyback, Acceptance ratio is around 88% Congratulations to all who Purchased and Tendered. Expecting a better profit in Gandhi,Rishiroop, Star cement also.
23.1. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
October 11, 2021 8:10:46 PM
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Aniket sir How are you doing? Any short to medium bet in secondary market? is it right time to enter HDFC AMC, IGL/ Gujarat gas and Aptus ? Your views on Heranba and Sansera is intact? Your suggestions are always valuable and beneficial for members in this forum.
Thank you very much for your kind n encouraging words. I once again thank you very much from the bottom of my heart for your kindness in sparing your precious time n sharing your valuable views, which ultimately helps in learning n earning in this regard. Thank you.
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October 11, 2021 10:19:46 PM
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@Aniketiaf sir, Good to see u sir after long time. I hope u & ur family will be fine.
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October 11, 2021 10:39:21 PM
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Jetha Lal ji, Yes! I am bullish on Sansera and Heranba for medium term for a target of 1000+ I think, Motilal oswal fs and Cams are better choice than Hdfc amc at present.
For medium to long term, Hdfc life, kirlosker eng, kscl, TN petro can also be considered.
Thanks.
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October 11, 2021 10:41:34 PM
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KAMMA SIVA RAMA KRISHNA ji & JIgar A ji, Thank you very much for your kind words.
@Aniketiaf ji - Goldiam has fixed Wednesday, October 27, 2021 as the Record Date for the purpose of determining the entitlement and the names of equity shareholders who are eligible to participate in the buyback offer of the Company. What should be our strategy now? According to your experience does the share price fall after record date or announcement of record date? (Sorry about asking the same question twice, I''m new to buyback scene, so I''m looking for whatever guidance I can get)
@Jigar ji - What does this statement mean - All Eligible holder''''s single share will be accepted
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October 11, 2021 3:46:17 PM
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@Jigar: you got some mail regarding buyback ? i didnt got any maill till now
22.4. JIgar A| Link| Bookmark|
October 11, 2021 4:27:09 PM
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@NITEENIPO, It means if anyone have 1 share of eclerx before record date, his 1 share will be accepted in buyback. @lokes sir, This information is true, I got news. But I not received email. Hope receive email before tender opening date.
Please understand that Fino paytech that is availbale on Unlisted platform is holding company of FINO PAYMENt Bank. IPO is for Fino payment bank not for Fino paytech. Fino paytech (unlisted firm) shareholder benefited of Reverse merger happens in future as per latest RBI allow( i.e. Fino paytech merge in Fino pyment bank)