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36. gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 10:57:46 AM
SJ I THINK U WAS RIGHT ON JAI BALAJI, I BAUGHT THAT STOCK @ RS 10 IN THE IPO, HOW CAN I BOUGHT IN NOW @ 270.

IT WILL SURE BE A 4 FIG STOCK IN NEXT 4 YRS, A GREAT BUY, I ALSO BELIEVE GODAWARI POWER HAS THE SAME STORY AN AGAIN A FOUR BAGGER IN NEXT 4 YRS.BUT THESE ARE COMMODITY STOCK AND 4 YR VIEW IS IMMATURE TO TAKE.

READ THI REPORT


Jai Balaji is taking Rs 1,600 crore agenda ahead. Over the next 16 months expect the commissioning or impact of the following: sinter plant (projected commissioning June 2008) special/alloys steel (June 2008), ferro alloys (October 2008), power plant (October 2008), coke oven plant (June 2009), rolling mills (June 2009), pallet plant (April 2009) and ductile pipes (September 2009).

Come to the second way steel manufacturers can potentially beat the trend. Put the plant up at such a low capital cost that the next thing you know is that even your gateman is being poached by competition. Jai Balaji commissioned an integrated million tonnes at Rs 1,600 crore compared to today`s prevailing benchmark of around Rs 3,000 crore.

A combination of various eurekas worked here; the company assumed the commissioning responsibility, deconstructed the project into various modules, negotiated aggressively with respective vendors and in certain instances ventured to create the module itself.

Reference: Jai Balaji reverse engineered its blast furnace with in-house technical capacity at a fraction of the nameplate quotation. When it encountered fleeting acquisition opportunities of HEG Limited`s steel plant and Nilachal Ispat, it immediately paid a cumulative Rs 133 crore cash down; the entire proceeds are likely to be recovered in the first half of 2008-09.

And then, there is the old fashioned way of making money. Doing it through a route that uses a lower proportion of raw material and cash. Jai Balaji is within striking distance of the hot metal cost of Tata Metaliks, an industry benchmark.

This is how the company will reinforce this competitive position: its blast furnace achieved a loading of 2.7 tonnes per cubic metre, which is higher than the industry benchmark of 2.5 tonnes per cubic metre, indicating that fabricated blast furnaces do work.

From a more strategic perspective, it dispensed with the pig iron route for the scale up to 3 million TPA as it foresaw a sharp run up in coke costs and opted for the DRI alternative, which has now been proved bang-on. It could either have acquired an iron ore mine or invested in a sinter plant (to utilise the fines); it invested Rs 300 crore in a sinter plant instead, which will shave off Rs 2,500-plus per tonne of end product.

In my understanding, this is more of a masterstroke than the company is likely to be credited for; not owning a mine on its books will probably invite large governmental allocation; when this transpires, the company will be able to utilize lumps (30 per cent of mine output) and fines (70 per cent of mine output) making a complete use of all its ore.

And finally, the argument of scale. Jai Balaji at an integrated 1.2 million tonnes today is the second or third largest coal-based steel manufacturer in India. It expects to add 2 million TPA in another 40 months (first phase) and another 5 million TPA in the following 30 months (5 million tonnes steel, 3 million tonnes cement and 1,215 MW power plant in Purulia, for Rs 16,000 crore).

That is a consolidated 8 million TPA (coking coal mine, coal mine, coke oven, iron ore, coal, coal washery, pig iron, sinter pallet, sponge iron, SMS, billet, TMT bars and wire rods, alloy steel, steel rounds and bars, power, ferro alloy and ductile pipes) across four locations by 2014. The company has also received a primary approval from the West Bengal government to set up a steel SEZ in the state.

So what will a combination of these four strategic directions do for Jai Balaji?
• Increase revenues to Rs 25,000 crore in about six year from now
• Enhance EBIDTA margins to in excess of 40 per cent in good markets
• And keep its fully diluted equity of around Rs 65 crore (management estimate, not mine)
You don`t need a calculator for that one.

35. vipul |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 10:20:58 AM
media sector does not perform well on the bourse. better invest in sectors which are performing well on the bourse. secondly, the valuations for media stocks are normally pretty high, hence dont give good returns.
34. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 8:58:31 AM
CAREER POINT

CORRECTION IN MY LAST POST

ITS PEERS EDUCOMP AND EVERON TRADES AT 18 PE AND AND 2.5-3.5 TIMES PRICE TO BOOK VALUE.AND THEIR SIZE IS VERY VERY LARGE EDUCOMP HAS SALES OF OVER 1000 CR AND EVERON OVER 300 CR WHEREAS CAREER POINT HAS 70 CRORES.

SO AT 18 PE AND 3 TIMES BOOK IPO SHOULD BE PRICED AROUND @300, GMP = 50 I GUESS

33. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 8:46:39 AM
CAREER POINT

A GROWING INFANT SMALL BABY !!!!!

ISSUE SIZE RS.115 CRORES

FOR FY'10 SALES MIGHT BE RS.70 CRORES, PAT MIGHT BE RS.20 CRORES, NW MIGHT BE RS 125 CRORES (6 MONTHS FIG HAS BEEN ANNULISED AS CASH FLOWS ARE MORE OR LESS EVEN IN THIS BUSINESS), NO OF SHARE PRE IPO IS 1.44 CRORES SHARE

GROWTH IN FY '10 OVER 09 IS 40% IN TERMS OF SALES AND PAT.

SO PRE IPO EPS = 14, BV = 88.

NOW ITS PEERS EVERON AND EDUCOMP IS TRADING AT 40 PE AND 5 TIMES PRICE TO BOOK.

SO THE IPO MAY BE PRICED AROUND RS. 350-450.

GMP MAY BE 70-100 FOR THIS IPO
32. gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 8:04:27 AM
SREEDHAR

AS PER DRHP-

FOR FY '09 UNCONSOLIDATED PAT WAS RS.47.9 CRORES.
FOR FY'09 CONSOLIDATED PAT WAS RS.73.3 CRORES.
31. mukul |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 7:49:55 AM
Thanks setuji, sreedhar and gem ipo finder for the analyses.This is a good company ad good track record but final take will be after the price band will announced.I think they will left something on the table.
30. SMA |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 6:14:07 AM
Experts / dear friends,,,
investment in TVSMOTOR and DABUR INDAI after split / ex-bonus......please advice....
29. SMA |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 6:02:47 AM
Dear Experts,,,
is this correct time to invest in TVSMOTOR and DABUR INDAI after split / ex-bonus......
please advice....
28. Sj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 12:23:20 AM
Dear boarders....

As gem ipo finder has already given some reports and his peer comparison....in detail

i woukd like to add some more points.....

1) mnc company

2) it is going into new media sources like videotube on internet, music downloads, mobile apps, digital home entertainment ....etc......

3) Media sector is great play on india's consumption story......it is undervalued and not in vigue but will have tremendous growth in future.......

4) media companies throughour the world enjoy high PE as it is high risk high gain sector.....

5) the entertainment formats in india are changing rapidly...

6) No. Of tv sets theaters and multiplexes are very few relative ti demand...and huge growing middle class and rural areas.....so penetration of media sector is very low....

7) boom in india has returned....now capex cycle for companies will start and companiess will increase ad spends through media sources....hence ad rates and promotion will increase in future...

8) indian film and television and film industry is all set to enter high growth phase and is expected to grow at cagr of 25 percent till 2015

9) eros has better or at least at par performance compared to utv. Plus Mnc status will lead to premium over utv

10) Company is all set with recent big deals with wilbur ross warner brothers and big industry names like star and some big production film houses in india.....so it will now enter what you call high growth phase in valuation terminology.

So these are positives......if you want exposure in media space you can add this company in your portfolio....

Now it is too early to give valuations and projections for price band is yet to be known......

Gem is also right that if it is at 20 percent discount to utv it can be added coz utv has already run up a lot...

I will come out with detailed analysis and forward projections after price band is announced

Regards

Setu
27. gem ipo finder |   Link |  Bookmark | September 10, 2010 12:05:24 AM
sreedhar

check for fy'09 its PATR WAS RS. 74 CRORES NOT 103 CRORES.
26. sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 11:27:28 PM
GEM,
Eros posted Consolidated net sales of 655 Cr for Mar10 Vs 627 Cr in Mar09.Its net profit was 112 Cr Vs 103 Cr.For Qtr June 10 its sales & net profit are 128 Cr & 23 Cr.
25. SMA |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 11:20:02 PM
Dear Gem IPO Finder,,,,many thanks,,, for your valuable reply....
i hope so it will reach 58 by next week....

please give your suggestion for Eros and indosolor, two ipo same time, but i can invest only for one......need resonable profit....please advice......many many thanks..
24. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 11:11:27 PM
SMA

I FEEL U WILL GET 58 IN NEXT 2-3 DAYS, I M STILL HOLDING 2000 SHARES,

IF U R AFRAID DAILY PUT A SALES ORDER @ 57.9, TILL IT GETS EXECUTED.

IT WILL DO BETTR FROM MONDAY I THINK.
23. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 11:09:00 PM
GANE

NOT YET......

BUT IN EROS I THINK 50 ?????? IF PRICE BAND IS 180-210
CP I HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH
22. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 11:05:54 PM
COMPARE UTV, SREE ASTHAVINAYK AND EROS -

UTV: M.CAP=2100, SALES =680 , PAT= 50,EPS =13,BV=300 CMP = 530

ASTHVINAYAK: M.CAP=1950, SALES =217, PAT = 22,EPS =0.3,BV = ?, CMP 26

EROS: M.CAP=2200(EXPECTED), SALES =650, PAT = 90, EPS =12.5
BV PRE IPO = 29

EROS IS MOST EFFICIENT PLAYER AMONG THREE AND A MNC GROUP.
21. Gane |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 10:46:30 PM
Gem,

Do you have any idea about the GMP for Eros and career point?

Gane.
20. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 10:43:04 PM
THE CO AS PER M.CONTROL WANTS TO RAISE RS. 350 CRORES.

IF WE ANNULISE THE SIX MONTHS ENDED SEPT '09 FIGS WE GET THE FOLLOWING, BUT THAT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY

1)FOR FY '10 SALES WOULD BE RS.650 CRORES AND PAT RS 90 CRORES, PRE IPO EPS = 12.5, PRE IPO BOOK VALUE = RS.29

NOW READ FOR UTV ITS DIRECT PEER -

1)FOR FY '10 SALES WAS RS.680 CRORES AND PAT RS 50 CRORES, IPO EPS = 13, BOOK VALUE = RS.300, TRADES AT 40 PE, MARKET CAP IS RS. 2150 CRORES

HUGE DIFERENCE IN BOOK VALUE !!!!!!!!!

I HAVE A FEELING THAT IPO WILL BE PRICED AROUND AT 180-200 AND SHARE WILL MOVE TO 250 POST LISTING, ASKING A M.CAP OF RS 2100 CRORES SIMILAR TO UTV. IPO SIZE WILL BE 1.5 CRORES SHARES.LISTING GAIN COULD BE 20 % OR SO.
19. RAJU |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 10:42:31 PM
give me the info. about gmp. of form or 1.00 lac. and premium of this issue
18. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 10:03:34 PM
SACHIN,

CARRER POINT AND EROS ARE ALSO OPENING WITH INDOSOLAR SO DUE TO LACK OF MONEY I M AVOIDING INDOSOLAR, BUT I THINK INDOSOLAR IS NOT A BAD CO AND WOULD GIVE HIGHEST RETURN ONE ONE LAC APPLCN BASIS THAN OTHER TWO, IT HAS A NET WORTH OF 200 CRORES A GOOD CO FOR SURE, BUT I M AFRAID OF POWER IPOS AND ITS PAST FAILURES.

SO I WILL STICK TO SEXY SPACES LIKE EDUCN. AND ENTERTAINMENT AND AVOID INDO SOLAR, BUT MIND IT SREEDHAR IS GOING FOR IT SO U CAN APPLY, I MAY ALSO CHANGE LATER ON IF I SEE THE CHANCE TO GET THE REFUND OF INDO SOLAR FOR EROS OR CREER POINT
17. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 9, 2010 9:58:26 PM
Eros International could be looking at a market-capitalisation of Rs 1,200-1,500 crore.

Eros International Media Limited, part of the media and entertainment firm Eros Group, is planning to raise Rs 280 crore via an IPO. Though the company is silent on the number of shares offered and their price in the public offering, VCCircle learns that Eros International could be looking at a market-capitalisation of Rs 1,200-1,500 crores.

As per the DRHP, Eros intends to use the money to acquire and co-produce film projects in Hindi, Tamil and other regional language. The company is acquiring a SRK-starrer movie from Red Chillies Entertainment; co-producing a Saif Ali Khan movie with Illuminati Films; co-producing a Ranbir Kapoor-starrer movie with Nadiadwala Grandson Entertainment and a few other films in Marathi and Tamil language.

Eros International acquires films from third-parties, through co-productions and occasionally, through our own productions. After acquiring, Eros exploits the film content through multiple formats such as theatres, home entertainment (DVD, VCD), cable & satellite rights and new media formats. For instance, Eros is said to have paid Rs. 75 crores to acquire the worldwide rights for ShahRukh Khan starrer – Om Shanti Om. It did not produce or co-produce the movie.

Eros has given box-office hits like Love Aaj Kal, Om Shanti Om, Partner and Cheeni Kum. The Eros India Library includes over 1,000 Indian films.

During FY2009 Eros International released 19 Hindi and 75 regional language films. The company earned a net profit of Rs 74.7 crore on revenues of Rs 627.8 crore in FY2009, compared to Rs 42.7 crore on revenuers of Rs 490.2 crore in FY2008.

Eros Worldwide (69.6%) and Eros Digital Private Ltd. (30.4%) are the major shareholders in Eros International Media Limited. Eros Worldwide is a 100% subsidiary of LSE-listed Eros Plc, while Eros Worldwide holds 99.9% shares of Eros Digital Private Ltd. Eros International Plc has a market capitalization of Rs. 1,350 crore. Sunil Lulla and Kishore Lulla are the promoters of Eros Group.