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80. Kiran Thota |   Link |  Bookmark | June 4, 2007 4:21:22 PM
DLF is rated very high and it is not advisable to invest Rs.550 per share based on its latest financials.
79. rituvarma |   Link |  Bookmark | June 4, 2007 1:41:58 PM
capital market has written:

Overall, this sector is for high risk-high-return, professional long-term investors and not for weak-hearted small investors.

so think and invest.........

78. Hemant |   Link |  Bookmark | June 3, 2007 10:20:08 PM
Vikram and Tanushree.. I really appreciate all the information provided by you .. its really helpful for the new investors like me.. Thanks a lot guys..
77. chintan |   Link |  Bookmark | June 3, 2007 6:00:51 PM
double money mere bhai earn your money 1250 /- listed prize
76. tonda |   Link |  Bookmark | June 3, 2007 12:03:54 PM
Will not apply to this issue. May not give good listing gains. If markets are good then we may get Rs 25/share gain. Since big issue lot of supply will be there on listing day unlike ICRA and MIC. However I think those applying will not make loss.
75. Vikram |   Link |  Bookmark | June 3, 2007 11:10:58 AM
Capital Market Review (CM Rating 40/100) - DLF : Skimming the large land bank

The issue has been priced very aggressively even though current trends in the real-estate sector are not encouraging

DLF, the largest real-estate developer in India, develops residential, commercial and retail properties. In the residential realty space, the company builds and sells a wide range of properties including houses, duplexes and apartments of varying sizes, with focus on the higher end of the market. In the commercial segment, it develops and sells/leases commercial office space, with a focus on properties attractive to large multinational tenants. And, in the retail segment, it focuses on developing, managing and mainly leasing shopping malls, which include multiplex cinemas.

Of late, DLF has diversified into the hospitality sector, infrastructure project construction and development of special economic zones (SEZs) through joint ventures with eminent overseas and domestic players. The company has also picked up strategic stake or ramped up stake in companies offering crucial services relating to property development.

The proceeds of the issue will be used to fund acquisition of land and development rights, to meet construction and development cost, and prepayment of loans.

Strengths
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* Reputed and established player in the Indian realty industry, specially in the north, with long successful track record since 1946. Has developed approximately 224 million square feet (sq ft) including 195 million sq ft of plots, 19 million sq ft of residential properties, seven million sq ft of commercial properties, and three million sq ft of retail properties. Final approval has been received for four IT- pecific SEZ in the country: two in Gurgaon and one each in Pune and Chennai.

* End April 2007, had a land bank of 10,255 acres across various regions of India with an aggregate estimated developable area of approximately 574 million sq ft including four million sq ft of completed development. Residential projects comprised saleable area of approximately seven million sq ft and let-table and saleable are of commercial and retail properties of 27 million sq ft and 10 million sq ft, respectively. In addition, has entered into arrangement for acquisition of development rights for about 554 acres.

* About 171 million of the 574-million sq ft developable area is located in or near developed urban areas, and a significant proportion of the balance is in or near areas that will be developed as urban areas under the draft master plans of relevant urban bodies.

* Enjoys strong margin upward of Rs 1800 per sq feet due to strong focus on luxury and premium segment and low average cost of land of around Rs 270-300 per sq ft in the National Capital Region (NCR), comprising 51% of its land bank.

* The specialised joint ventures (JVs) for engineering design, construction and project management with renowned players imply better control on completion of project as work can be outsourced to owned JV companies managed by global players unlike earlier third-party contractors. This will also help command premium rates and attract premium clients.

Weaknesses
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* Yet to get certificate of change of land use for 60% of the land bank from competent authorities.

* Debt-equity ratio was 2.5:1 end March 2007, and 4.35:1 end March 2006. Moreover, subsidiaries had preference share capital of Rs. 949.8 crore. In addition, there are guarantees outstanding of Rs 8.6 crore on a consolidated basis, and Rs 462.9 crore of put option against the preference shares issued by an associate company end March 2007. Outstanding end April 2007 included Rs. 4395.6 crore as payment for acquisition of land reserves and Rs 1054.0 crore for acquisition of 554 acres for which development plans are at a preliminary stage. These payments may have to be funded by the incurrence of additional debt. The hospitality, infrastructure development and SEZ plans will also involve substantial capital outlay.

* Certain commercial properties have been sold to DLF Assets Pvt Ltd (DAL), a promoter group company, for Rs 2401.5 crore in the fiscal ended March 20‘07. Due to this transaction, the total income and profit before tax was boosted by Rs 2207.1 crore and Rs 1564 crore (which along with other one-time sales of assets and investments have been treated as extraordinary by us). Net profit after minority interest was just Rs 43 crore on sales of Rs 434 crore in the fourth quarter ended March 2007. Besides artificially boosting financials, this transaction raises many doubts.

* Commercial and retail-property development and the upmarket segment of the residential property, where the focus is, are sensitive to economic conditions.

* Operations have historically been in and around Delhi and Gurgaon. The ability to manage projects across various regions in the country is yet to be proved.

* Corporate governance record is not encouraging.

Valuation
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DLF reported consolidated sales of Rs 2615.20 crore in the year ended March 2007. This includes one-time income of Rs 880.5 crore. Excluding this sales are up 50% to Rs 1734.7 crore. Net profit before minority interest, inflated by an extraordinary (EO) profit on account of sale of commercial properties and divestment of shares in subsidiaries amounting Rs 1817.10 crore stood at Rs 1943.70 crore. Profit before tax (PBT) before EO shows a rise of 110% to Rs 732.40 crore.

EPS (excluding EO) on post-issue equity capital of Rs 340.88 crore works out Rs 3.3. On a lower price band of Rs 500, P/E stands at 152 times, and on the upper price band of Rs 550 P/E is 167 times.

Parsvnath Developers trades around Rs 320.25 giving P/E of 19 times FY 2007 consolidated earning. Unitech, quoting around Rs 604.40, trades at P/E of 37.5 of its FY 2007 consolidated earning. Notably, Unitech’s land-bank size is comparable to DLF.

While P/E is not the only criterion to compare real-estate stocks, the very high P/E shows that lot of cream has already been skimmed from this cake, specially when there are chances of the sector turning sour.

Investment in DLF is investment in its land bank. Hence, the valuation of DLF will depend on how much and how fast revenue and profit will be generated from this land bank and how fast and at what rate and locations it is adding to its land bank. This in turn depends on growth in real- estate rates, prevailing interest rates, economic growth, expansion in organised retail and flow of foreign liquidity to this sector.

Currently real-estate rates in many Indian centres are very high by global standards. This makes them commercially unattractive and beyond the average home-buyers’ capacity to pay. In spite of the government’s attempts to control bank as well as foreign fund flows to this sector, limited supply of developed real estate has been the main culprit for keeping the rates high.

Even if there is a temporary mismatch in demand-supply, which is possible as most real-estate companies led by DLF are planning massive additional supply over the next few years, there could be fall in real-estate prices, specially when investor demand has been one of the major drivers of real-estate rates in the past couple of years.

In a way real-estate stocks are like commodity stocks which go up when commodity (real-estate) prices go up and fall when they come down, irrespective of the volume growth or the current financial performance. How the interest rates will behave going forward is very crucial. Even if the current rates prevail for an extended period, it will be negative for the real-estate sector, while a fall in interest rates will be a big positive. Overall, this sector is for high risk-high-return, professional long-term investors and not for weak-hearted small investors.
74. AMIT |   Link |  Bookmark | June 2, 2007 7:02:54 PM
Mukesh Bhai & Anil Bhai koi bhi time pe market ki vat laga sakte , DLF ki bhi. reliance kyo up ho raha he ? socha ? just increase their market cap , kyo ki dlf aa rahe he.
73. rituvarma |   Link |  Bookmark | June 2, 2007 6:57:16 PM
Capital Market ranking 40..........
72. raj |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 7:47:49 PM
hey rahul,
have u seen the dlf appln ever..the lot size is 10 shares yaar..better don't give wrong info.. if u don't know jus......
hai asis,
the lot size is 10 shares ya..
71. RAHUL |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 6:03:09 PM
LOT size is 12 share for DLF
70. Asis |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 5:55:03 PM
Can anybody knows the the lot size of DLF . as per sharekhan IPO review reports price is fare and its valuation is Rs525/share.
69. Anand |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 5:40:52 PM
Hi Rahul ,

I completely agree with u............But just please tell me-is there any brokers which provide services to sell any stock on 2nd day...no matter it is in BTST or not.....Please let me know If you know any one
68. RAHUL |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 5:06:46 PM
Dont go for DLF.
its having 9000cr LOAN from bank.
& accumulating 8500- 9000Cr via IPO.
Can go for IPO.
but dont buy from secondary market
67. RAHUL |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 5:04:52 PM
in ICICIDIRECT, not every stock is available for BTST trade.
MIC is not for BTST.
You can check a list of BTST scrips in STOCK LIST in EQUITY option.
66. Anand |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 4:46:46 PM
Hi lokesh,

These people are saying BTST orders are available for very few stocks and bychance if u buy some other stock ....You have got no option except waiting for 2 whole days.....And any trader knows where the price can go in 2 days
65. Lokesh |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 4:27:42 PM
Anand
you have to place a BTST order...
Buy today sell tomorrow option...
64. Jyoti |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 10:28:05 AM
Vikram
Pl. inform from where to learn the grey market premium.
Is there ant sight for the same
pl. inform.
63. parimal |   Link |  Bookmark | June 1, 2007 12:42:44 AM
kya ye sahi rahega?
62. AMIT |   Link |  Bookmark | May 31, 2007 10:59:30 PM
Abhi kitna premium chal raha he grey market me ? please inform , thanks.
61. Vikram |   Link |  Bookmark | May 31, 2007 9:42:26 PM
DLF share premium rising in grey market

Premiums in the Mumbai and Delhi grey markets for DLF Ltd’s initial public offer (IPO) have risen to Rs 40-45 levels. In Ahmedabad, the biggest grey market, the premium was Rs 28 till last week.

Against the official price band of Rs 500-550, investors are gambling up to Rs 40 premium on the upper limit. A broker said, “At Rs 40 premium, the investor is speculating that DLF will list at above Rs 590. At whatever price it lists, his Rs 40 premium is assured if he sells his shares in the grey market.”

“The good news for DLF is that the price in the grey market is increasing everyday by a few rupees. Had the premium been Rs 100 on the first day, there could have been a crash, which could have dampened sentiment for the actual IPO,” said another broker.

He added that with all the hype around the IPO, the price in the grey market would keep increasing everyday.

“I am 100 per cent certain that DLF will be oversubscribed by three to five times. I was also very clear that I had to invest in DLF. I have struck a deal with my broker for 300 shares at Rs 55 premium. I am positive of DLF listing above Rs 605,” said one Delhi-based investor. The listing premium will depend on the number of times the issue is over-subscribed.

He also conceded that while he had bet on DLF listing at a minimum of Rs 605, his relatives and friends were betting at Rs 590-595, that is a Rs 40-45 premium. The returns from the grey market are calculated in terms of money invested and the expected allotment of shares.

For instance, if a retail investor puts in Rs 1,00,000 in the IPO application, he/she will get 100 to 200 shares at the lower end of the price band. A premium of Rs 26-28 assures the investor a return of 3-6 per cent within a time-frame of a month, the broker explains.

All the profit (or loss) would be borne by the person who pays the premium. The grey market exists in tier-two cities and areas where the investor population is sizeable, though such deals are not legally allowed. The market is vibrant in Ahmedabad, Unjha, Kolkata and some other cities.

The normal settlement in the grey market is trust-based and the brokers have the backing of big brokers who may be based in Kolkata or Mumbai. This market also offers multiple products.