Question to Senior Investors : How was the Process of IPO application before ASBA? I know that one needs to go to bank and apply. How were the funds blocked and unblocked after allotment?
20-30 years back, we used to apply with cheques. No ASBA. The refund cheques used to come by registered post. Then, electronic refunds started. Even few years back, amounts were debited for all applications and refunded for non allottees.
231.2. sree vas| Link| Bookmark|
November 30, 2022 7:57:18 PM
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@elon rusk,
we used to fill the application & submit them at the designated bank which were mostly located in the cities, after a few days allotment ratio would be published in the newspapers. we used to receive shares in physical format by reg post
@Alon This was very very difficult and tiring work to apply in an IPO and wait for allotment. The procedure for applying, allotment and refund used to take 3 long months. Refund by cheque. To sell through a broker who sell shares in share market by crying. Delivery of share certificate and to send to the company for transfer. If the signature of share holders differs, it is bad delivery and so on. Difficult to describe here. There after the shares were demated and again long procedure. There after share application to be deposited with cheque, clearing and all. It took long to come into present systems. ASBA and 15 days for completion of all procedure. I have gone through all these eras. This is a very short story. Hope you will get something out of it.
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December 1, 2022 12:24:14 AM
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There was one system started by banks that was called "Stock Invest" in year 1993 wherein bank issue an instrument called "Stock Invest" blocking money in the account of applicant and issued in any denomination just like 'banker's cheque'.
The IPO applicant attach such Stock Invest instead of cheque or draft without moving money from his bank a/c. If allotment is done Company gets it cleared just as cheque. In case of non-allotment, Company returns said Stock Invest to applicant and he submits to bank and gets fund unblocked.
Looking back and comparing today the system has become efficient transparent and virtually no cost. Brokers Bankers were making money on investor funds. Only advantage was IPO were issued mostly at par. IPO at premium was only by some limited profit making companies.
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December 1, 2022 8:31:57 AM
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@Manish Goplani old days gone with check used for IPO,then ASBA came,then BHIM UPI, and nowdays new options came (setting with registrar for alloment) aisa bhi hota hain kya?? ha,, aisa bhi hota hain,,,, indian mian setting and juggad sab jagah hota hain
@Nithin.... bHNI will almost always be better than sHNI as in case of oversubscription both are allotted shares worth 2 Lakh, but since bHNI application is for min 10 L, the over subscription figure displayed is 5 times over the actual no. of applicants approximately. Whether Retail is better than bHNI or sHNI will depend on final subscription figure but usually in heavily subscribed issue, it has seen that retail has a better chance of allotment than sHNI and bHNI has better chance of allotment than both retail and sHNI.... But then in retail you get shares of only 15k worth while in HNI you will get shares worth 2L. In summary, if you have funds and the IPO is lucrative and heavily subscribed, you should always go for bHNI for best chance of allotment
Thanks for the reply @Justalearner. This year I have got 0 allotment in this year in bHNi category till now. So I was still evaluating if i should go with retail or bHNi.
With the final subscription, (bHNi allocation is 10% and retail is 35%) can i say odds of allotment in bHNi is 1 in 10 and that of retail is 1 in 21 ?
since the size of retail is more than bHNi, can retail have improved odds than 1/21 ?
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December 1, 2022 1:59:12 AM
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We plan pur strategy as per subscription figure because it is visible live. But allotment is ultimately decided by number of application in each category. Application proportion is less in bhni, so higher chances of allotment in bhni.
Did anyone calculate actually whether we are getting interest for funds blocked through asba or upi ?and not from just people saying we get interest for asba and not for upi
If I have 10,000 in my savings account and 5,000 as sweep-in FD. This FD breaks whenever there is a demand for more than 10,000 either through check or debit POS. And if I apply for an IPO through ASBA or UPI, will it be honored?
Upi is also asba technically. It's just a method of accepting application. Therefore, we get interest on both ASBA and UPI as only a lien is created and the money is still in our account.
@Yadav,@AAvi, Yes today Axis Bank ASBA put all of us in trouble. But we all are helpless. We are scattered here and there and difficult to take action collectively in this regard. Who alone or a group is going to take pain? Forget and take it as positive. These funds can be used for other Ipos. "JO CHALA GAYA USE BHOOL JA".