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640. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 9:43:33 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Very good article thought i will share with other forum members.
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The sequel to the global financial crisis is here

High credit ratings have hidden a structural instability, writes Frank Partnoy

July 31, 2017

The dangers of complex investments, as highlighted by the film The Big Short, still loom large
The financial scene is familiar, the stuff of films like Inside Job and The Big Short. Rocket-scientist financiers buy up billions of dollars of risky loans and repackage them into complex investments with multiple layers of debt. Credit rating agencies classify the top layers as triple A. Institutional investors, including pension funds and charitable organisations, flock to buy these apparently risk-free yet high-yielding investments. Tension builds.

But the year is not 2006 or 2007. It is today. While the US administration talks of repealing Dodd-Frank, the reality is that regulators have been flouting that law for years and now the shadow financial markets are frothing. Almost a decade after the global financial crisis, the sequel has arrived.

The central culprit this time is the collateralised loan obligation. Like its earlier esoteric cousins, a CLO bundles risky low-grade loans into attractive packages and high credit ratings. In May, there were two deals of more than $1bn each, and experts estimate that $75bn worth are coming this year. Antares Capital recently closed a $2.1bn CLO, the largest in the US since 2006 and the third-largest in history. Although most of the loans underlying these deals are of “junk” status, more than half the new debt is rated triple A. Sound familiar?

During the early 2000s, similar highly rated deals called collateralised debt obligations were popular. At first, they seemed harmless, or at least not so big that their collapse could cause financial contagion. But when regulators ignored their growth, they became more opaque and more profitable, with credit ratings disconnected from reality. Like cracks in a building’s foundation, the risks seemed minor at first. But high ratings hid the instability of the entire structure. Until it was too late.

Dodd-Frank was supposed to stop these credit-rating ploys. But the Securities and Exchange Commission has permitted the agencies to dodge that law. While Dodd-Frank imposed liability on the agencies for false ratings, the SEC exempted them. Likewise, Congress barred the agencies from getting inside information about issuers they rate, but the SEC permitted that, too. As CLOs grow, the cracks are spreading again.

Last Christmas Eve, the so-called risk-retention rule of Dodd-Frank took effect, requiring that arrangers of these complex deals keep a slice of the downside. But clever financiers arranged for third parties to take on this risk.

The credit rating agencies, particularly Moody’s Investors Service and S&P Global Ratings, are the central actors in this story, just as in the original. The computer programs they use to assign triple-A ratings remain flawed. Because loan defaults can come in waves, mathematical models should account for “correlation risk”, the chance that defaults might occur simultaneously. But the models for CLOs assume correlations are low. When defaults occur at the same time, these supposed triple-A investments will be wiped out. CLOs are just CDOs in new wrapping.

Some experts say this time it is different. Earlier this month, Ashish Shah, a managing director of Madison Capital Funding, a subsidiary of New York Life, told a roundtable of CLO experts they should not worry about defaults in 2017. “The appetite for assets is ferocious,” he said. Pension funds, insurance companies and university endowments are demanding both safety and high returns. CLOs seem to offer both.

A new Office of Credit Ratings within the SEC is supposed to provide a check on this appetite. But when I sent a Freedom of Information Act request, seeking to identify which credit rating agencies have been found to violate SEC rules, the regulators refused to divulge names. Violators remain anonymous.

It is hard to police the financial markets. New business school graduates are inevitably one step ahead of their regulator counterparts, and many of the least creditworthy businesses find it easy to borrow, because their loans can be quickly repackaged and sold. During the debates about Dodd-Frank repeal, legislators should keep their eyes on these complex investments and the agencies that facilitate them.

Some might claim CLOs are different or smaller, or that regulators are better prepared today, or that business loans could not possibly default all at once, as home mortgage loans did. But similar arguments were made about risks during the early 2000s, before they spread to the major banks and AIG, and the markets spiralled out of control.

To avoid an even bigger crisis, regulators should heed warnings about financial dysfunction and hidden risks now, before the cracks spread.

The writer is a professor at the University of San Diego and author of ‘Fiasco: Blood in the Water on Wall Street’
640.7. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 10:39:19 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
yes CLO 124 billion in 2014 to 100 billion in 2017.... most due to valuation then real reduction which is more dangerous was due to commodity price reduction especially oil... but first half of 2017 CLO has started increasing

Airhant i always say with any buy have ur stop loss anyway with vikas ecotech i will add more at this price and have a stop loss at 7%
640.8. Arihant. |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 10:41:24 AM
Thanks you sir for ur quick response.....:)
639. ANAND PARMAR |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 10:30:11 AM
AREEEE BHAI KYAA SAB LOG EK HI BAAT POST KR RAHEE HO .......MSG MSG
AAA JAYEGA MSG JINKA AMT.. BLOCK HUVA HAI UNKO KOI TENTION NAI HAI
638. Sunil V rathod |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 10:23:04 AM
I have not received massages if any . & still not block mony why Pl suggest. ....
637. Patel Mayank |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 10:18:51 AM
please guide me application wise ipo calculation
636. Rajkumar Bhuj |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 10:10:26 AM
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GMP Cracking further...
173-176 / 1025

635. Ansh saxena |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 1:08:03 AM
If I m not getting any msg from any exchanges so that means I not getting ipo
635.1. KING VINOD |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 7:27:28 AM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (2400+ Posts, 5300+ Likes)
You will receive both message and Email. Check once
635.2. Rchandak |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 10:01:37 AM
Did you apply through axis bank online?
634. Kick |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 9:14:59 AM
Dear Expert (Septa Sir, Egaleye Mam,and Others)... As employee category was not fully subscribed..which category will get benefited?
634.1. Ankur Goell |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 9:40:20 AM
QIB, NII, & RII. All of three.
634.2. Kick |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 9:54:50 AM
Thanks for comment... Equally Distribution???
633. kishanhyd |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 7:45:54 AM
Can anyone let me know which brokerages are allowing to transfer share using easiest facility? I checked with Zerodha. They are not allowing.
633.1. AKH |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 7:51:48 AM
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Religare allow it to do online
633.2. kishanhyd |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 9:38:20 AM
Thank You AKH
632. anubhavP |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 8:04:03 PM
बस अब कल से अपनी भाई लोग नए काम में लग जाएंगे जैसे कि,,,,,,,
कब है अलॉटमेंट
किसी को आया क्या अलॉटमेंट
मुझे 4/4 मिला
कब आएगा
साइट ओपन क्यो नही हो रही
632.4. sugreev |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 9:15:39 AM (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
After that:
1) What will be the listing price?
2) What will be the price after one week / one month / one year?
3) Shall I sell / hold / purchase?

In between somebody may ask to Eagleye or septa - shall I purchase XYZ Ltd at Rs 1.02 or 1.06 and what should be the stop loss?
632.5. Harry Singh |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 9:31:47 AM
lolzzz nd what is current gmp. Even when very rarely one sell at gmp to unknown...
631. Arihant. |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 8:35:42 AM
Septa sir ur view on vikas ecotech its trading around 20 rs
630. jigi |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 8:10:36 AM
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I have applied for 3 applications. What are the chance of getting allotment''s?
629. Maheswaran V |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 12:39:43 AM
Hello everyone,

I have applied for 5 lots, can anyone let me know what is the possible number of shares I can get.

Thanks!!
629.2. Maheswaran V |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 1:00:48 AM
Thanks for the reply. Applied 5 lot in one application.
629.3. KING VINOD |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 7:19:53 AM
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If you are Lucky you will get 1 Lot (30 Shares) or Zero.
628. KING VINOD |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 12:07:47 AM
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Just now Confirmation messages received from Exchange. NSE and also from BSE.
Hope every one received those who applied for Cochin Shipyard Limited IPO
628.1. AdiMann |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 12:48:53 AM
Yes got the sms...!!
627. AdiMann |   Link |  Bookmark | August 4, 2017 12:01:30 AM
CSL IPO Closed...!!! Good luck all for the allotment...good night...
626. Solution of Queries |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 11:45:37 PM (1100+ Posts, 1400+ Likes)
after 6 PM more than 1 lakh applications received........
625. Karan rajput |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 10:39:13 PM
Will I b able to apply now for ipo from hdfc app?
625.2. have faith in your shelf |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 10:52:33 PM
yes sir it will be helpful for Cochin shipyard and modi government for ur help in night...oh god so kind of u u made so intelligent people in the world..
625.3. DSR |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 11:17:49 PM
Mumbai Don..:)..:D
624. Babal |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 11:10:42 PM (200+ Posts)
I applied through oriental commerce bank and through CDSL INSTEAD OF NDSL.
DEMAT ACCOUNT OF MOTILAL OSWAL.
NOW AFTER CHECKING APPLICATION STATUS AT BSE IT IS NOT SHOWING STATUS.PLEASE GUIDE.
623. MINTO |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 11:03:34 PM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (400+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
friends i facing some problem.
i apply through axis bank but i not confrim my aplicatin was complite.
so how i cofrim i ?
622. have faith in your shelf |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 10:50:40 PM
246 +30
621. Mumbai DON |   Link |  Bookmark | August 3, 2017 10:41:02 PM (200+ Posts, 200+ Likes)
Employee kota not fully subscribe.
So maybe rii vil get more allotment.
Now GMP is 203-207 in mumbai.