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66. ShareView |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 6:45:52 PM
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a tutorial showing dreams of future has no future
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66.1. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 6:47:08 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
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65. JITENDRA KUMAR TATER |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 6:23:15 PM
what is gmp for this
64. jainsa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 6:17:19 PM
avoid this ipo, very high price share
63. parmod gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 5:28:56 PM
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Septa sir v r waiting for our views apply or not
63.1. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 5:56:18 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells..... not this. This is laziness which i hate pls look below in this page for my comment Mr Parmod gupta you will find the answer......
63.2. JAIPUR TIGER |   Link |  Bookmark | March 16, 2017 5:58:14 AM
Dear sir

Till now there are no grey market activity in this IPO
62. parmod gupta |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 5:28:18 PM
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Eagleye and Jaipur tiger pls post gmp of C L education
61. a.h.mithvani |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 3:56:14 PM (200+ Posts)
Eagleye mam CL EDUCATE Ltd IPO bharna chahiye please help please advise sp Tulsia anlysis bharne ko keh Rahe he
61.2. ayushgoel |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 4:57:19 PM
CL educate is a company with strong fundamentals but price it is asking is high by 25%, I would avoid this IPO
61.3. ShareView |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 6:50:21 PM
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Below post no. 59 is the full review of S.P Tulsian.
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60. Jai |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 3:25:38 PM (300+ Posts)
kostak..??
59. NRI Investor |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 11:42:10 AM
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IPO Analysis: CL Educate Limited

Verdict: Expensive Coaching!

CL Educate is entering the primary market on Monday, 20th March 2017 with a fresh issue of 21.80 lakh equity shares of Rs.10 each and an offer for sale (OFS) of upto 26.59 lakh equity shares by promoters, PE investors and other shareholders, both in the price band of Rs.500 to Rs.502 per share. Representing 33.61% of the post issue paid-up share capital, issue will raise Rs. 239 crore at the upper end, of which OFS portion is Rs.130 crore. Issue closes on Wednesday, 22nd March and is likely to list on NSE and BSE on 31st March.

CL Educate offers test preparation services, mainly for MBA, banking and law entrances, under the ‘Career Launcher’ brand, across 151 centers in 87 Indian cities. It also offers enterprise solutions such as integrated business, marketing and sales service to corporates and advisory and research incubation services to educational institutions / universities, with broad revenue split of 60:40 between test preparation and enterprise services.

On FY16 consolidated revenue of Rs. 297 crore, PAT of Rs. 21.7 crore was earned, translating into net margin of 7.3% and return on net worth of just 9.0%. During H1FY17, revenue and PAT stood at Rs. 161 crore and Rs. 12.9 crore respectively (net margin at 8.0%). On equity of Rs. 11.94 crore, EPS for first half of FY17 was at Rs. 10.74.

Despite slow yet steady growth (revenue and PAT CAGR of ~13% during FY13-16), company and its business model have certain drawbacks. For one, it is a small company but doing too many things – test preparation, publishing, integrated corporate support, vocational training under Govt. schemes, research incubation and K-12 schools. While the opportunities in each segment may be large, lack of management band width is not helping it succeed in all. Take for example - K12 vertical under Indus World Schools has nearly 60% of company’s capital deployed, causing strain on profitability and return ratios, as performance is unsatisfactory.

Secondly, fate of vocational training under Govt. schemes is out in the public too, as huge working capital gets locked with mounting receivables and delayed collection cycles. Everonn Education, Educomp Solutions and Core Education are classic examples from the listed space, which have lead these companies to near liquidation.

Similar to peers, CL Educate also has huge outstanding trade receivables (despite major chunk of test preparation fees being received up-front). Outstanding debtors of Rs. 127 crore, as of 30-9-16, represent 5 months of sales, of which, Rs.94 crore is outstanding for over 6 months, which is quite alarming. In addition, Rs.6.42 crore is outstanding for over 6 months from 2 group entities (Nalanda Foundation and Career Launcher Education Foundation). Such financials do not project a good picture, especially before one is about to get public!

Thirdly, company’s related party dealing show that receivables and interest of Nalanda Foundation (running Indus World Schools) to the tune of Rs. 27 crore have been converted to unsecured loan by the company, over the past few years. When company itself is in need of funds, blocking sizeable amounts in a group entity does not help.

Lastly, company is highly sensitive to changing assessment patterns, like in May 2015, when civil entrance exams underwent policy change, company’s revenue for that vertical contracted to Rs.2 crore from Rs.18 crore, practically shutting down one opportunity which had been established over the years! Thus, the business is quite on precarious grounds.

Coming back to IPO details, of the fresh issue proceeds, about Rs. 53 crore is earmarked for working capital funding, Rs. 19 crore for debt repayment and Rs. 20 crore for strategic initiatives. Total debt, which stood at Rs. 65 crore (30-9-16) will decline to Rs. 47 crore post IPO, while cash and equivalents are at Rs. 12 crore. Current net worth is Rs. 256 crore (30-9-16) and promoters own 64.72% stake, PE fund Gaja 15.04%, HDFC 4.96%, leaving balance 15.28% among a host of shareholders such as Edelweiss, India Infoline, S P Family Trust etc. Promoters and PE investor Gaja are making a part exit, while few like S P Family, Edelweiss, India Info and other shareholders are exiting completely.

At Rs. 502 per share, company will have market cap of Rs. 709 crore and EV of Rs. 743 crore, which leads to EV/EBITDA and PE multiple of 13x and 23x respectively, on H1FY17 annualised earnings. On one year forward numbers (FY18E), these multiples are 12x and 22x respectively, which are quite stretched.

Listed peer MT Educare, which became public 5 years ago, is currently ruling 17% below its IPO price. On annual topline of Rs. 300 crore and similar margins, its market cap is Rs. 337 crore vis-à-vis CL Educate’s asking market cap of over Rs. 700 crore. Despite double the centers at 293, MT’s valuation multiples are much lower – EV/EBITDA 6x and PE 17x.

Another coaching peer Career Point, which went public 7 years ago, is currently ruling 64% below its IPO price. On annual topline of Rs. 85 crore and much higher margins, its market cap is about Rs. 200 crore and is trading at EV/EBITDA multiple of 5x and PE multiple of 11x. Thus, on peer comparison, issue is grossly over-valued.

Another point to be highlighted here is that companies from the education sector have rarely rewarded investors. Both MT Educare and Career Point drew a lot of investor fancy for their respective issues, but their fate is out in the open. Failure of closely-tracked and much- discussed education duo like Everonn and Educomp will also weigh on this issue.

To conclude, the issue is weak on fundamentals - working capital intensive business, mid-single digit margins, single digit RoE coupled with expensive valuations and education sector being a non-performer (empirically) make this issue an avoid.



Disclosure: No Interest.


Regards,
sptulsian.com Team
58. Arijit |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 11:16:03 AM
Guys, please check if anyone can help with this case. One of my friends Mr M told me over a conversation that his father bought some shares in BlueStar, HDFC and ITC (before FY 2000) but he does not have the physical shares or folio number as they being lost long time back.

I helped him find the stocks in Blue star India and HDFC from the IEPF and unclaimed dividend data available from respective websites. He has good number of shared in Blue Star India, however the the trouble is, the parent company Blue star got split into Blue Star India and Blue Star Infotech in year 2000. Also Blue Star infotech was taken over by Infogain in May-2016.

Though he can claim his shares in Blue Star India, the problem is how can he claim his stake in Blue Star Infotech as their website is also closed and there is no investor contact available. Also no data or inputs are available at what price per share Infogain purchased Blue Star Infotech and what happened to unclaimed shares & dividends at this point or post sale is complete.

Also as per the current norms all the unclaimed dividend gets gets trasferred to IEPF ( Investor Education and Protection Fund). Can he claim all the dividend amount of the last 20 years (or only for some cut-off years)?

If anyone here faced/cracked similar issue, please provide some inputs.

Thanks!!
58.3. Arijit |   Link |  Bookmark | March 16, 2017 12:10:55 PM
Thanks AK, much appreciate!!
58.4. arun ARUN |   Link |  Bookmark | March 18, 2017 4:47:19 PM
Blue Star Infotech sold its business only. All shareholders of Blue star Infotech have got shares of Blue Star Ltd. Please connect with Blue Star to solve your problem
57. Rajan delhi |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 10:08:55 AM
Delhi & Ncr People leave ur number for Ipo and stocks GROUP.
56. Siddhu |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 12:52:22 AM
Egeleye mam I am big fan of your please kindly give your opinions about cl educate will you go for it or not thanks a lot
55. Richa |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 11:55:05 PM
Revenue suddent almost doubled from 2014 to 2015 ?
Does anyone know the reason?
@septa sir?
54. nileshkp |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 11:10:18 PM
GMP not go above 100 rupees because listing day 20% upper circuit having in ''T'' group
54.1. S Maheshwari |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 8:10:16 AM
T group have 5% circuit, I think
54.2. nileshkp |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 12:42:45 PM
After listing day it having 5% circuit, on listing day 20% having
53. Pkm |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 10:58:00 PM
Any GMP on this IPO egelye mam
52. Harish Goyal |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 9:36:03 PM
Dear Eagleeye pls specify should i apply for cl educate or not. I m new in market
51. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 9:33:26 PM
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CL Educate IPO

Financial Information (Basis of Valuation):

EPS for FY13-14 >>> Rs.15.78 (Page #103 of RHP)
EPS for FY14-15 >>> Rs.19.53 (Page #103 of RHP)
EPS for FY15-16 >>> Rs.18.26 (Page #103 of RHP)
EPS for H116-17 >>> Rs.10.74 (Not Annualized)

@ Issue Price = 502 ... Then PE = 23.37 (trailing)

RoNW for FY13-14 >>> 10.24% (Page #104 of RHP)
RoNW for FY14-15 >>> 10.14% (Page #104 of RHP)
RoNW for FY15-16 >>> 08.95% (Page #104 of RHP)
RoNW for H116-17 >>> 05.05% (Not Annualized)

NAV as on September 30, 2016 was Rs.214.27 (Page #105 of RHP)

Peer Group (Page #106 of RHP):
MT Educare Limited / TeamLease Services Limited / Zee Learn Limited
51.1. AKH |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 11:02:24 PM
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MT Educare Limited @25pe approx
TeamLease Services Limited @48 pe approx
Zee Learn Limited @45 pe approx
industry pe is 25approx

I will avoid this issue
51.2. aruna |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 11:10:58 AM
future of ipo
50. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 9:31:35 PM
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CL Educate IPO

Issue Information:

Issue Opens on: 20 March 2017
Issue Closes on: 22 March 2017
Issue Type: Book Built Issue IPO
Issue Size: 4,760,000 Equity Shares
Face Value: Rs 10 per Equity Share
Issue Price: Rs.500 – Rs.502 per Equity Share
Market Lot: 29 shares
Listing At: NSE, BSE

Equity Shares outstanding prior to the Issue = 119,83,159 Equity Shares
Fresh Issue of 2,180,119 Equity Shares @502/- aggregating up to Rs.109.442 Crores
Offer for Sale of 2,579,881 Equity Shares @502/- aggregating up to Rs.129.510 Crores
Equity Shares outstanding after the Issue = 14,163,378 Equity Shares

Category-wise Break up:
Anchor – 1,428,000 Shares = 71.69Crs.
Net QIB – 952,000 Shares = 47.79Crs
NII – 714,000 Shares = 35.84Crs
RII – 1,666,000 Shares (57,448 Forms) = 83.63Crs. (Lot size = 29)

Total Issue – 4,760,000 Equity Shares = 238.95Crs.

Subscription required for 1X
RII = 57,448 Forms
NII = 35.84 Crs

Interest cost @7%p.a. for 7days = 67.40paise for 1X
49. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 9:31:18 PM
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CL Educate IPO – Schedule (Page #506 of RHP)

17th March – Anchor Investors
20th March – Offer Opens
22nd March – Offer Closes
29th March – Finalisation of Basis of Allotment
29th March – Unblocking of ASBA
30th March – Credit to Demat Accounts
31st March – Listing on NSE & BSE
49.7. ShareView |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 6:24:35 PM
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I was referring to tentative data provided by brokers before officially declared
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49.8. ShareView |   Link |  Bookmark | March 15, 2017 6:35:05 PM
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No need to write to SEBI anything as I don''t care whatever has written right or wrong because discussing such IPO is foolishness as it is waste of time and applying is waste of hard--earned money
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48. AHMEDABAD SMART IPO |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 6:14:06 PM
Any update for CL EDUCATE ? because this one is in T group, So i think Grey market is not open ?
47. RAJ STOCK |   Link |  Bookmark | March 14, 2017 5:38:56 PM
whats the GMP for CL Educate Pl Tell