Chemplast :In Delisting,company announced floor price at Rs. 4.51 but final Exit price is atRs15/share with Face value 1,current ipo has face value 5 so we should assume delisting happened at Rs. 75 Decade back in 2012
*IPO Scam* : Chemplast Sanmar was delisted nearly a decade from the stock exchanges. It was delisted from BSE, NSE and MSE with effect from June 25, 2012, June 18, 2012 and June 25, 2012, respectively.
Company delisted a decade ago at Rs 5/- is now coming with IPO at Rs 540/- !! 😅
Be careful🚨
34.1. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
August 8, 2021 11:21:15 AM
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Be factually correct. Got delisted at Rs 15 for face value 1. Current face value is 5 which means it delisted at Rs 75 (15X5) See index movement from 2012 to 2021. Over the index performance is more due to liking for specialty chemical companies
Chemplast Sanmar - For those who care beyond the GMP (based on FY21 consolidated financials & post-money (top end of the price band)):
Tax Adj. RoCE (%): 66.7% RoE (%): -117.3%
EV / Revenue (X): 2.3x EV / EBITDA (X): 7.9x P / E (X): 20.9x
Primary of INR 13 bn + OFS of INR 25.5 bn with FY21 C&CE of INR 6,513 mn on books and healthy operating cash generation. Net worth is negative due to significant changes in Associates & JV''s but even in prior years RoE is weak even though RoCE has been strong. The primary raise will help improve RoE significantly going forward. Valuation multiples capture the "non-specialty" nature of the Company, IMO.
Don''t even touch the company with barge pole. Their Egyptian venture is loss making from day one. There is no change in management. N sankar is still the chairman and Major shareholder. All their blue chip companies are in private non listed companies. They conducted AGM in a god foresaken place to avoid tough questions... buyers beware
Not that I have any special love for this Company, but just to be factually correct as per RHP: the Egypt business is not a part of Chemplast Sanmar Limited. That is housed in another group company they have called TCI Sanmar.
This Company has the specialty paste PVC, suspension PVC, custom manufacturing (Spec chem business) and the side products (peroxide, soda, chloromethane)
Specialist chemical nam ki loot he ...loot sake to loot ....!!!!
26. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
August 6, 2021 9:00:05 PM
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Major reason for many IPO bunching in August is the fact that foreign investors are not supposed to rely on accounts data older than 135 days. Which from 31st March comes out to 12 th August. It is more true for anchors. Who have to given internal rationale for buying. They can not by law invest in companies whose financials are older than 135 days and show reliance on those financial numbers So next rush we will see around Nov 1st and 2nd week
Voluntarily delisted at 15 per share in JUNE 2012 at 15 per share on a floor price of 4.51 per share ....at that time it was a very high price unexpected acceptance of discovered price of 15 by promoters when market price was around 7 per share .
@ Ranga This is Siva(Cwa) a bit new on this Forum.... I read your comment regarding Chemplast IPO with this comment of yours.
" So, people who did not give at Rs. 15/- in 2012.. after 9 years.. or rather a decade, they get a good valuation. DLF is also a cheat.. they delisted and forced shareholders to sell.. then relisted at 520 Rs. or so. Investors should have few things in their mind. 1. Get away from fraudulent Promoters. 2. Do not touch Promoters who are close to Politicians. "
I have a similar issue with Polaris Company. I needed some help to understand the issue at hand. Can you guide me ?
Polaris was delisted at 480 per share in February 2018 .......if you still hold share and want to sell you need to contact some private dealers (there are many on google) who deal in Unlisted and delisted shares . Chemplast sanmar was traded around 7 when it was delisted at 15 face value 1 , so i do not think any body made loss in this deal . i was a participant in this d listing in April 2012 and made good gains ...even at the time of d listing in June 2012 market price was much lower than exit price of 15 . NOW after 9 years FACE VALUE 5 share is being offered at 530-541 per share ...offer price appear very expensive.
As far as Polaris is concerned, one of the promoters.. Arun Jain (who does not have credebility ) left Polaris and floated a new company called Intellect Design Arena ,it is dong good. Both RD and RK have invested money into this company despite knowing the background of Arun. May be Arun would have changed.
Original promoters of Chemplast N Shankar and family lost interest in commercial ventures. They are known for their genuineness. I did not have Chemplast shares. So, I can not comment. But whoever did not go for delist will get a fortune now. It is under a new management. Prem Walsa is called Warran Buffet of Canada. Indian by ethinicity. Punjabi studied in Chennai and now settled in Canada. He owns lot of companies through out the world. He is not just an investor. He appointed right people and make it it big. It is evident in Quess Corp, Thomas Cook, CSB and Few others in India. He has rewarded Shareholders when demerger Quess Corp from Thomas Cook.
Based on the back ground of promoter we can invest in Sanmar. Only lucky people will get allotment. They are into chemicals, plastics and also into shipping. They have few factories in Mettur (TN), Cuddalur (TN) and Pondy.
Similar is case of NIRMA ltd which d listed and few years after compulsorily exit was given at 260 per share ( no non promoter share now as shares were removed from demat /physical cancelled by crediting cash ) ....although not same company but group co Nuvoaoc vista is coming out with an IPO with very very high valuation though it is a loss making co . only listed co of NIRMA group Shree rama multitech too not doing well . IPO APPLICATIONS APPEAR TO BE TURNING FINANCIAL DANGEROUS .
Prem watsa has just invested in the company. All management decisions are taken only by old promoter Mr Sankar...
24.5. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
August 5, 2021 8:33:28 PM
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There appears some confusion. They delisted in 2012 with Rs 15 delisting price with face value of Rs 1. Now face value is Rs 5 so it would mean that they delisted at price of 75. Growth of 75 to 530 in 9 year time is fair given how much index has moved in same period and their is fancy for specialty chemical companies
When it was delisted in 2012, the price was 75 for 5 Rs. share. Now they are quoting 530 in 2021. So CAGR is around 25%. Which is quite good. Regards Ranga
@ arun , do you know the meaning of delisting ? If yes then you should also know who got the fair ( or unfair ) return from 75 to 530/541. Insiders or investors ? Still it isn''t listed as of now. If it lists in discount somewhere below 500 then who will earn ? Insiders or investors ? You are posting exactly the contrary view of listing in delisting comments.
24.8. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
August 6, 2021 8:54:20 PM
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@jstm Decision to hold shares of companies going for delisting cuts both ways. I had lost a large amount (90000) by not accepting delisting offer of Binani Cement as company failed to survive. At least by accepting delisting offer i could have saved that For your information there are still some holders who did not sell at delisting and they were entitled to offer their shares for offer for sales (as happened in BSE limited shares). Every one gets a prorate chance to sell under OFS. Equity investment is risk and buyer beware is Mantra. Could you have predicted in 2012 that this company will come up with IPO at this price and market will be around 54000 points?
oluntarily delisted at 15 per share face value 1 in JUNE 2012( RBB was in April 2012) at 15 per share on a floor price of 4.51 per share .... i was a participant in that d listing where market price was around 7 per share with 5% circuit , and it was a pleasant very pleasant surprise to read the PA of company in Financial express about promoters having accepted the discovered price of 15 per share .
On the market share, the RHP clearly states that Chemplast Sanmar is the largest manufacturer of specialty paste PVC resin in India with market share of 82% and 84% in FY20 and FY19 respectively (refer Pg 138)
Their subsidiary CCVL is also the second largest manufacturer of suspension PVC in India. They''re also one of the largest in hydrogen peroxide and caustic soda in South India. (RHP Pg 26)
Chemplast sanmar produce 270,000 tonnes per annum as per 2016 ICIS estimate against total domestic production of 1.445 million tonnes. We imported 1.8 million tonnes in 2016. More than half of our requirements is imported..on what basis they are saying 82 percentage....with mammoth capacity in South East asia, wonder how PVC in india can shield from import...
@Sunaralpha - 1) Using 2016 estimates for evaluating a 2021 situation may not be the best idea; 2) There is a difference in PVC and Specialty paste PVC resin, since CRISIL says the resin market size was 143 kilo tons per annum (KTPA) in 2020.
There are only 2 producers in India - Chemplast Sanmar (66 KTPA) and Finolex (22 KTPA), which is a total of 88 KTPA capacity. In FY20, domestic production of specialty paste PVC stood at 78 kilo tons, of which Chemplast produced >80%, as I understand it.
All this is from RHP (Pg 105 - 110); CRISIL talks in detail about specialty paste PVC. Happy to be corrected on this.
Checked out various sites to find out any price difference between resin pvc and so called standard pvc. There is absolutely no difference..i wonder how they classify this as speciality chemical category.