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95. Sj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 7:36:16 PM
Dear Boarders


I know MUKUL in post no 80 and 81 has told you that SP tulsians has adviced so do not apply or First choice ipo site gave bad analysis for Careerpoint and even you think that since SP tulsian has given advice you should not apply

But the point is SP Tulsian also adviced to apply for SKS Micro

Now he is fundamental guy. So he also said people to exit jubiliant at 190 odd and then it went to 500 now. Biut he said that at that moment it was overvalued. So whats wrong in that...? I am not defending him.

But the point that someone has recommended that guy is unlucky and hence do not apply is wrong..!!

FIRST CHOICE IPO also said avoid to SKS saying PE investors are making a killing and ecxiting business model is unsustainable

They have also made good analysis like Gujarat Pipavav

But in careerpoint they have not given good analysis

They ahve just said past performance is bad

Co. has court cases. Even Pipav had court cases..even Reliance has court cases..and had court cases....is it share price gone zero or company's business ahs performed bad since last decade..?

I maintain my views based on research. Wether SP Tulsian says apply or FIRST CHOICE says avoid

I will use my own brain and forward projecting abilities to look at any IPO.

AND MY VIEW IS

PEOPLE CAN APPLY THIS FOR GOOD LISTING GAINS.

YOU CAN EVEN GET 400 ON LISTING. COZ AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID PEG RATIO IS 0.8 BASED ON FY11 EXPECTED EPS OF 15 SO FAIR PRICE IS 334 TAKING 20 PE AND 400+ BASED ON 1 YEAR FORWARD PE

This is high risk high gain IPO...like talwarkar and jubiliant..AAR YA PAAR

TALWARKAR HAD 36 PE WHEN IT CAME WITH IPO"

JUBILIANT HAD 30 PE

When i said in open market i said i will not apply coz i will only apply in va tech wabag.

I will not by open from grey but on listing for short term gains.

SP Tulsians View on Careerpoint:
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Q: Let’s talk about Career Point Infosystems, the issue, which opens on the 16th, which is this week, Rs 295 to Rs 310 is the price band, would you buy that one?

A: Yes. This is an interesting story because they are already into the tutorial services. We see whenever the engineering and medical students aspiring to take admissions, whether they are preparing for AIEEE or they are preparing for IITJEE, they all have move to the Kota. Kota has become the mecca of these all education center and this is may be to one or two company there.

They have good business model if you see the company has been posting a consistent growth of 30% plus for over three years in their topline as well as in bottomline. In the recent past, they have issued shares at Rs 260 and Rs 295 to the PE investor and got a cash of about Rs 60- Rs 65 crore. This has been a consistent profit making company, they have a cash accrual after tax of close to about Rs 20 crore. They had Rs 18 crore for FY10 and may be FY11 should be able to give them Rs 21 crore because they already have their major income coming in the first three-four months only.

Now, they are going into the integrated campus in the Kota where 3000 students can get accommodated for staying with parents and for other recreational services and all that. Also, they have their good plans of setting up the universities also.

Looking to the capability of the promoters and the track record of the company, in fact I am quite convinced with them because even if you take the cash balance lying in the books of the company and even if I give a multiple of 20 for the existing profit made by the company, plus even if I doesn’t factor in the future projections, which will start flowing in from may be from FY13 first part, the company holds very good promises going ahead. So, even I recommend going ahead for the issue even at the upper band of the price band.



DISLAIMER: I am not personally applying because my total allocation is on VA Tech. However i have advised my clients to buy it for listing gains. It is HIGH RISK AND CAN GIVE HIGHEST RETURNS. These are my personal views and i am not to be held liable if people incur losses based on my advice and research. Boarders are advised to their own due diligence about my views and research the company.
94. ashish |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 5:37:42 PM
THIS IPO IS TRICKY.ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
93. JanakJoshi |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 4:52:32 PM
careere grey market there is buyer of rs. 125 per share. this is the best one to apply. allotment will be less so cost of transaction will be less. speedy refunds as only 6000-10000 allotment per application.

so we can use refund proceeds early in some other ipo. i am from Rajasthan i know that career point are very good people with long term strategy in education sector. will surely give average return of rs. 3000 + per application.

do apply with 1st priority. avoid indo solar and tirupati completely.
92. sufiyan |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 3:40:56 PM
hdfc me direct credit ho jayega
91. JC |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 1:27:55 PM
I have HDFC demat account and my address is wrong in that. If I apply for shares the refund amount will be automatically credited to HDFC ac or will it be sent as cheque ???
90. waryabs |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 1:16:23 PM
sj wrt his msg ser 86.
When you say that you will buy from open mkt---- does it mean post listing or do you intend buying from grey mkt pre listing? Please do clarify, to enable others to decide on career point.
Could you please also name the listed peer. You had earlier referred to it without naming it, and emailed its name to some boarders. Subsequently you have discussed educomp and everon. Please do give the name for other boarders to consider investment.
89. mukul |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 1:13:42 PM
Setuji,my person feeling is that I should go for it. Because previously i have missed the opportunity in jubiliant and talwalkar. Now opportunity comes to me. Thankyou again for boosting my confidence.The loss in this ipo also not big because the retail will subscribe more than 10times.So i will not lost more than 5 thousand which is not significant in share market.It is more save bet than indosolar at least.Some well reputed person on this form is applying in indosolar after watching figure of FIIs. They desperately applying in it so he can go for it. Management is also good .
88. RONAK THAKKAR |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 12:30:34 PM
WHAT IS THE RETAIL DISCOUNT IN CAREER POINT INFO.LTD,Rs.15/- PER SHARE DISCOUNT IT IS TRUE?PLS REPLY
87. Sameer |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 11:02:02 AM
Hmmm Issue size is just 115 crore out of which around 40 crore will be reserved for retail. Looking at SKS Microfinance where retail applied for 1400 Crore in retail and assuming retail will aplly half of that(700 crore) for Career Point total subscrition will be 18x!
Allotment by lottery & ony 1 lot will be allotted.
I'm totally confused. I can apply only for 2 IPO's in full & i'm split between EROS & WA (which are both big issues with firm allotment) & Career Point were lisitings gains will be huge.
Can GEM IPOfinder, SJ & Ravi Bangalore advice small retailers?
Should i apply 50,000 in Career Point & full appl. in WA & Eros? What are the chances of allotment in Career Point if i apply for Rs 50,000 in Career Point?
Thanks
86. Sj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 10:45:19 AM
Dear Mukul

SP Tulsian also adviced to buy SKS

That is giving good gains

FY11 EPS OF Career projected is 22 crore

Eps expected is 15

Current diluted eps is 9

that means peg ratio is 31 pe/ 50% eps growth

equals 0.62

PEG is below 1 for FY11

EVEN IF I GIVE 20 PE TO CAREERPOINT ON FY 11

FAIR PRICE BASED ON FY11 335 EVEN IF 20 PE IS TAKEN

IF 25 PE IS TAKEN FAIR PRICE IS 416


I AM TELLING MY CLIENTS TO APPLY FOR LISTING GAINS

yOU CAN ALLOT 25% TO CAREERPOINT

yOU CAN GET GOOD RETURNS AS I SAID

I WILL BUY IT FROM OPEN MARKET PERSONALLY FOR SHORT GAINS

I AM ONLY APPLYING VATECH

MY CLIENTS ARE APPLYING CAREERPOINT

LONG TERM PEOPLE CAN AVOID CAREERPOINT

ONLY FOR RISKY SHORT TERM GUYS

Regards

Setu

P.S. FIRST CHOICE ALSO SAID AVOID TO SKS
85. baba singh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 10:15:21 AM
gem
please advice

which is the best ipo to invest

after the price band

i have two demat ac

and 4 lakh to invest

i think

that 2 full aplication for career point

1 full applicationb for eros

1 full application for micro finance

what u think please reply

i m waiting
84. rakesh |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 10:11:48 AM
Company Name

Offer Price

(Rs.)

Premium

(Rs.)

Indosolar Ltd.

29 to 32

1 to 1.50

Tirupati Inks (FPO)

41 to 43

2.50 to 3

Career Point Infosystems

295 to 310

95 to 98

(High 103 / Low 28)

Eros International

158 to 175

25 to 28

Microsec Fin

113 to 118

30 to 32

CTV Network

100 to 110 (Approx)

20 to 22

Ashok Buildcon

280 to 300 (Approx)

52 to 55

VA Tech Wabag

1200 to 1300 (Approx)

270 to 280

(High 290 / Low 255)
83. ALOK |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 10:01:04 AM
GREY MARKET ONLY BUYER RS. 108.

LOOKS LIKE THE BEST AMONG THE LOT.

MUST APPLY. VERY LESS ALLOTMENT PER APP SAY RS. 10000. REFUND WILL BE FAST AND CAN BE USED FOR ONE MORE IPO BEFORE COAL INDIA. SO THIS IS A MUST APPLY BOSS.
82. Anil |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 9:57:23 AM
Thanks SJ for your reply.
81. mukul |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 9:45:58 AM
There are 67 civil and criminal pending against the promoters.The brand name career point is under litigation so avoid the issue and go for the sj recommendation as there is no scarcity of ipos these days.
80. mukul |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 9:36:11 AM
Here are MR Tulsian views regarding careeer piont so you can just reverse his recommendation and no need to point out that this is copy and paste as i am my self saying this and this is also not the wastage of space on this blog as this blog have enough space. Career Point Infosystems is entering the capital market on 16th September 2010 to raise Rs. 115 crore, via a fresh issue of 37-39 lakh equity shares of Rs.10 each (depending on the price discovered). The issue, priced in the band of Rs. 295 to 310 per equity share, constitutes about 20% of post-issue paid-up capital of the company and closes on 21st September 2010.

The company provides tutorial services for engineering and medical entrance exams such as AIEEE, IIT-JEE and All India pre-medical and pre-dental tests. It has presence through 33 centres, of which, 17 are company operated while balance 16 are franchisee centres, spread over 13 states of the country, mainly in North, East and Central India.

For FY10, it had close to 32,000 student enrolments, of which, over 40% were from a company operated Kota centre alone. Kota centre alone accounted for over 60% of the company’s consolidated revenues of FY10.

Going forward, the company plans to discontinue the franchise model for tutoring and also diversify into the formal education space. It plans to set up a university in the name of Career Point University in Kota, Rajasthan and also set-up another university in Himachal Pradesh.

The funds being raised via the IPO will be used to finance the following:
a) Establishing an integrated campus spread across 8.6 lakh square feet in Kota, for 3,000 students, with investment of Rs. 68.25 crore. This facility will provide accommodation to students and visiting parents, library, recreation and other such facilities.
b) Expansion of campus and office at Kota, across 45,000 square feet, with investment of Rs. 16.49 crore.
c) Strategic acquisitions worth Rs. 15 crore, to be deployed in FY11, however no targets have yet been identified
For objects a and b above, no funds have been deployed till date, despite a cash balance of Rs. 22.74 crore and liquid investments of Rs. 37.87 crore in its books, as of 31st March 2010.

The company, being debt-free, earns most of its revenue during the first six months of the financial year itself. For FY10, on a consolidated basis, it generated a topline of Rs. 66 crore against Rs. 48 crore in FY09, growth of 38%. Of this, education and training income grew by 49% to Rs. 59 crore, from Rs. 40 crore in the previous year. However, the company’s margins have been on a decline, mainly due to decrease in franchisee fees and rising employee costs. Employee costs increased by 75% in FY10 to Rs. 21 crore, from Rs. 12 crore a year ago.

The net profit for FY10 was Rs. 18 crore, resulting in net margin of 27%. The resultant EPS was Rs. 13.2 on equity of Rs. 14.42 crore. Post IPO, if book gets discovered at the upper end of the price band at 310, the company’s equity will rise to Rs. 18.13 crore. Promoter holding, presently at 75.4% would drop to a little under 60%, post-issue.

As on 31st March 2010, the company’s networth stood at Rs. 133 crore and BVPS was Rs. 92. As on that date, the company had cash and cash equivalents (liquid investments) aggregating to Rs. 61 crore.

For FY11, the company is expected to report net profit of about Rs. 21 crore. Discounting one year forward PAT by 20 times, gives a value of Rs. 420 crore. Add to that the cash and cash equivalents of Rs. 61 crore, as of latest balance sheet date, gives a pre-IPO valuation of Rs. 481 crore for the company. This gives a per share value of Rs. 334, while the upper band is set at Rs. 310. Looks fair, as it leaves close to 8% on the table for the prospective investors.

The company is expecting its core business to grow at the rate of 30% on an annualised basis, while its margins are likely to improve slightly by over 33% on marginal basis. The contribution from new areas will start flowing in from FY 12 onwards, which will improve its financials further, so as to service the higher equity base post IPO. To implement these new projects, the company made a preferential allotment of shares in July 2009, at Rs. 248.60 to Franklin Templeton for Rs. 50 crore, and to Mr. N S Raghavan, founder promoter of Infosys, at Rs. 292.64 per share in January 2010, for Rs. 10 crore.

This is the first company from tutorial education field, tapping the capital market, from Kota, which is termed as Mecca for IIT aspirants and hence is likely to have some extra interest in its IPO. We advise to apply in it, even at the upper end of the band at Rs. 310, as it is likely to give some listing gains but better gains in the longer horizon of 6-8 months.



79. Shiny |   Link |  Bookmark | September 15, 2010 7:56:20 AM
@ Sj

Iam looking only at listing gains. Can you suggest the best 4 we should appply for as the board is getting too confusing with so many options available. Indo Solar closes today and I have not made up my mind.
78. sj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 14, 2010 10:55:22 PM
anil

you can avoid careerpoint.....

Coz there are safer bets like va tech and eros
77. Sj |   Link |  Bookmark | September 14, 2010 10:50:54 PM
dear anil

i know these IPOs like Tirupati i also have said clear avoid.....

Well your info just boosts that point

well i know ganesh benzo very well

one of my client is stuck in this counter from long

pata nahi apke kanpur mein kya bolte hain

par main aise companyion ko jhandukhane ki comapniyan kehte hun..

Yes i am sub broker also

i can post you my client opening form where there will be my sign as well...just to prove....he he lol...kidding

i am in sub broking since last 6 years
my father had lisence of kolkata stock exchange since 1988......even stilll we have that card but pf no use....

Only recently its value has increased coz CSE has allowed bse and nse freee for members......now we are subbrokers

regards

setu
76. GEM IPO FINDER |   Link |  Bookmark | September 14, 2010 10:42:18 PM
SJ

YES NOW U ARE CORRECT. ITS FV NOT 10 NOW