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@God Is Great Indeed.. You may apply in this IPO. I will surely apply in this IPO. Delima is whether to target 1, 14 or ~67 lots, in this and all upcoming good IPOs.(if my assumptions of allotment are correct)
@Avenue, yes, thats going to be the factor in choosing the category. Just for my clarity, if I apply 11 L Rs in big HNi category (there is no need to apply 1 Crore anymore, right?), this will go into lottery and if am lucky , I would be getting around 10 L Rs (67 Lots) worth shares. Please advise if my understanding is right. 🤔
Yeah, if application wise subscription is more than 1 than allotment will be by lottery, and allotment is minimum application size (not sure 2L/10L)
and if subscription is less than 1 time application wise, then guaranteed allotment and allotment is minimum application size plus proportionate allotment for balance remaining shares
@MRavi... I think so but I am not sure. Things will be clear after 1st IPO with new rules. I will apply as small HNI and you take care of big HNI..... :)
Allotment will still be tough as many small HNI will start applying multiple 2 Lac applications and like wise big HNI category with multiple 10 Lac applications.
If my thinking of new rules is correct and if they stay, very soon we will see messages like "Applied 15 small HNI applications."
@Gaurav DD dimer, @Avenue Thanks for your responses to confirm my understanding.
This is going to be tricky. applying is easy but if allotted for the average IPO's full lots (2 L worth and 10 L worth shares - for small and big HNI), and if lists below par, how many people will have stomach to digest (the money will be locked as well and not be able to apply other IPO's...etc)
May be initially, people will jump in to apply, then slowly, only who would want more lots, will apply. Lets see and learn more about these through few more IPO's.
Yes if some ipo list even with 5 percent discount that means a loss of 10000 rs for small hni holding 200000 worth shares. Many small retailers who apply multiple applications in retail won't like to take this much risk. One -two lots means max 1000-2000 loss if some ipo lists with 5 to 10 percent discount and retailers are ok with that.
Have I understood correctly? Considering it will oversubscribe, In a 10L plus application it doest make sense to apply for 30L,40L or more as the allotment would be 10L only if we win the lottery. Secondly, either you get 10L worth an allotment or nothing... This is in total contrast to the Pro-rata system earlier... Please re-confirm
@Prabhjot, still there is no clarity on how many lots will be alloted for 2L application or 10L application. However to your question, for good ipos where subscription will be more than 1X, you will get similar amount of lots for 10L or 20L or 50L. Best is to just apply for 10L. You will get min. Lots or will be zero as it is lottery.
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April 24, 2022 11:41:18 PM
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in my opinion "lottery" is still ambiguous word. its still not clear, whether it will be a single lottery considering all app in given category(small HNI and big HNI) or there might be category based on number of lots applied and different lottery chance for each category. For eg. lets say there are 100 people applied for 11lac, 100 for 12lac and 100 for 13lac. I know it will be lottery for all. but Now we dont know whether it will be 3ppl of 100 will allotted for each 11lac,12lac and 13lac. OR It might be 3:100 for 11lac, 4:100 for 12lac, 5:100 for 13lac We dont know???
Even though 14 lots will be allocated if it is oversubscribed for Small HNI , the chance of getting allotment will differ based on the lots applied . Most of the applicant will apply for 14 lots. There are around 53 size lots are available (15 lots,16 lots....67 lots) apart of 14 lots. So if an investor can pick odd lot and can apply multiple application with same size lot have more chance.
In the case of Big HNI chance of picking odd lot is high (68 lots to full amount lot ) and applying multiple application with same size will increase the allotment chance. I think MRavi might have already thought about this.
I think in a way due to new rule Demat accounts will increase.
Yeh new HNI rules ke beech mein, iss nacheez ka ek sawal please padhiye:
I have always dabbled with IPOs in retail category and I will continue to do so till the end of my life. So, the question is: other than the poor authority of GMP from now on, has anything changed for a retail investor like me? I'm still looking at <15k per lot, right?
May be More Selling Pressure from HNI's ( In past they are retailers now become HNI's ) still not able to know the exact reason why sebi wants to give whole lot of 2 lacs or 10 lacs to single person due to this only few peoples are getting allotment
@Dharmendra Sharma ji, some buying seen at current level in last 2 days but still I feel we need to wait for it to come out from t2t segment because as of now looks like operaters are playing I may prove wrong so plan accordingly Thanks & happy investing 🙏🏻
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April 24, 2022 7:51:20 PM
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@Crow, Not much changed for retailers except that some retailers will move to small HNI and so for good IPO more chance of allotment for retailers, Small HNI. Looks like only loosers are NBFC and HNI taking loan which will not be doing now. And from selling pressure even HNI who were applying with loan used to sell on listing so can't comment if small HNI will make more selling pressure or less.
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April 24, 2022 7:44:02 PM
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My understanding of the new HNI rules: 1/3 of the HNI Quota will be for 2L-10L category 3357 lucky applicants will be allotted a minimum of 14 lots in case of over subscription application wise. 2/3 of the HNI Quota will be for 10L+ category 1382 lucky applicants will be allotted a minimum of 68 lots in case of over subscription application wise.
The above calculations are for this IPO.
In case of under subscription, minimum lots (I.e. 14 or 68 lots as applicable) will be allotted to all applicants and then the remaining shares will be allotted on Pro Rata Basis.
To back my understanding check the following link at the bottom of the comment and start reading from page 44 “Part A1 -Illustration explaining the procedure of allotment for non-institutional investors“
Also, why will be the HNI portion broken into 2 parts if in the end an investor who applies for 10L+ category will also end of getting 2L worth shares same as the small HNI category ?
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April 25, 2022 6:53:21 PM
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In small HNI 3357 lucky applicants will be allotted 14 lots each. Now, If we assume in Big HNI category allotment will be of a minimum 14 lots instead of 68 lots, 1382 applicants (all applying 68lots) will subscribe the Big HNI application wise fully but will not be allotted all shares (since we are assuming 14 lots allotment only) so number of applicants getting allotment of minimum 14lots will increase drastically in Big HNI category. So, if 6715 applicants apply they will all get allotment in Big HNI category assuming minimum allotment of 14 lots.
Total of small and big HNI results in 10,072 applicants getting allotted 14 lots only.
For applying in Big HNI one will be applying 68 lots and getting 14 lots, meaning so even if this category will be oversubscribed application wise we will get allotment.
Hey expertes and investors ,I have little query that 'what our next step should be after listing ,does we wait for more profits or just take profit and leave.
Team chittorgarh Moderator sir , Sir I have a request ,could you plz add small HNI allotment process in HNI Questionnaire.Current HNI note has August 2021 process report.. Thanks
RHP MENTIONS: "The allotment to each Non-Institutional Bidder shall not be less than the Minimum NIB Application Size, subject to the availability of Equity Shares in the Non-Institutional Portion, and the remaining Equity Shares, if any, shall be allotted on a proportionate basis."
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April 24, 2022 9:10:13 AM
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Not sure from where people are reading that for 10+ lacs amount application of HNI category, the minimum allotment is 10 lacs of the lot. The above is totally wrong.
For applicants 2-10 lacs, the minimum allotment will be 2 lacs worth of lots. For applicants 10+ lacs, the minimum allotment will be 2 lacs worth of lots (NOT 10 lacs).
HNI category is still the same only the allotment method is changed where 1/3 portion is for applicants 2-10 lacs and 2/3 for 10+ lacs applicants. As the HNI category is same and the minimum application size is 2 lacs hence for both reservations minimum allotment is the same as 2 lacs worth of shares.
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April 24, 2022 10:30:16 AM
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@DHARMENDRA SHARMA I am applying both mainline IPOs and Le merit SME will decide on the last day if the subscription is good.
Dear bipin kedia. This new HNI allotment rule is applicable only for BOOK BUILT IPOs (Almost all mainline IPOs fall under this category)
This new rule is NOT applicable for FIXED PRICED Category IPOs (around 90% of SME IPOs come under this category), Few SME IPOs come with Book built category where this new rule will be applying for an allotment.
There are approx 8k applications bidding at 14 lots(just less than 2 lakh) and approx 1k applications bidding between (2 to 10 lakhs) for IPOs having GMP approx 20%.
Assuming all these people will now bid in the small HNI category(2-10 lakhs). Therefore, the expected subscription in the small HNI category could be 3x.
But, this is going to be the first IPO with new rules. Hence, not all people will apply in that category. Therefore, my guesstimate is 2x subscription in the small HNI category for Campus Activewear.
@Akhil, Appreciate the effort 👌. Your first part of estimation has no significance, Because in case of oversubscribed IPO, applying 14 lots in Retails (less than 2 Lacks) makes no sense. Only people who don't know the process, applying 14 lots. The 2nd parts seems to be correct.
I will wait for first few IPOs to see investors interest in different categories. Retail or even small HNI applicants can easily apply in any HNI category but minimum allotment of 1, 14 and ~67 lots can be a critical factor in choice. Hoping my assumptions of new allotment rules are correct.
Simple calculation on grey market form Rates are Retail : 600 Hni (2 lakh) : 2800 Hni ( 10 lakh) : 15000 It means big hni category me 10 lakh ke liye apply kiya n allotment mila to 68 lots hi milega.
@Hostpacker.... Are you sure about this..I.e. even big HNI applying with 10L applications will be alloted shares worth 2 Lace only. I have sought this clarification but found nowhere. I later decided to learn after this IPO allotment. If that is the case allowing chances of 14 lots will surely be more in 10 lac category. Can you share any official notification , or anything that will certify this. Thanks
Here Category is not changed . Only reservation is there for Application size 2 lakh to 10 lakh and Above 10 lakh but Minimum Application size is same for NII. i.e. 14 lots. Let's see It will be clear on 4th may ( BOA).