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117. Aris |   Link |  Bookmark | October 16, 2015 12:11:37 AM
Applied for two lots...... for listing gain listing would be around 435..
116. jigaReligare |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 7:47:49 PM
Approx Application : 37,000
115. jigaReligare |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 7:47:15 PM

Approx Application : 37,000
114. jigaReligare |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 7:46:38 PM

Category
No.of shares offered/reserved
Bid received (No. of Shares)
No of Times Subscribed
*Qualified Institutional Buyers (QIBs) 50%
7380654
14,578,470
1.98
Non Institutional Investors (HNI) 15%
5387658
389160
0.07
Retail Individual Investors (RIIs) 35%
12571203
4193595
0.33
Employee Reserved
474683
213660
0.45
Total
25814198
19,374,885
0.75
*Excluding Anchor portion
113. BullsEye |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 6:50:51 PM
Subscription status 73%

http://www.business-standard.com/article/markets/coffee-day-enterprises-ipo-subscribed-73-a-day-before-close-115101500751_1.html
112. Uchit Patel |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 6:06:21 PM (500+ Posts, 1500+ Likes)
After seeing good response from QIB I can still say please stay away from this IPO.
Many experienced analysts and good brokerage houses recommended this IPO for long term only. Please see the listing and buy from secondary market.
There is nothing to loose much if you avoid this IPO.
112.1. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 6:09:09 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Today even on NDTV may guest analyst when asked about the IPO said avoid given reason from holding company very poor revenue loss making and highly price as reason for avoid
111. RANJAN NK |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:32:51 PM
it would be more than 2 or 3 times if people not reviewed badly,all considered P&L loss to not to apply, but not got huge response from QIB`s bcz CCD has his own brand globally.apply blindly.
111.1. RANJAN NK |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:33:58 PM
correction for not
110. ajith kudlu |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:18:07 PM
Hi Guys, DONT MISS CCD IPO... There is a huge demand......see the MAGIC on listing.....
110.1. rajvir singhroyal |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:38:55 PM
to all respected readers, this is the ipo , see tata coffee rs 1 share cost 100 means 1000 the this is 322 and apply for 45 , do it as remembrance , this is coffee day how much travelling by air , a lot so ...
109. D Pandey |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:13:58 PM
Very good response by QIB today and QIB reaches 1.91 times. This drag total subscription to 0.65 times.
108. Jyoti P |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:09:03 PM
Seems some interest has risen at Institution level. ICICI, Aditya Birla and Share Khan has recommended to subscribe. Look like retail participation will increase on last day, as we have seen in Power Mech Projects - till 2nd day it was 0.45 and on the final day it was oversubscribed by 38 times.
108.1. atul |   Link |  Bookmark | October 16, 2015 12:09:06 AM (300+ Posts)
And we all know what was the fate of power make super duper flop

107. RASHMIN SAH |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:05:10 PM
CCD IPO - QIB oversubscribed by almost 2 times as per the NSE data. One prominent FII applied around 99 lacs shares... Seem aggressive retail participation will come tomorrow.
106. atul |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 4:57:49 PM (300+ Posts)
Price rediction is on the verge spl for retail.wait before you apply....
106.1. Roadside Romeo |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:03:25 PM
Overall book is now 0.75 times. QIB already nearly 2 times. I don''t think there will be any further discount. And pricing will not be at lower band.
106.2. NKD |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:13:00 PM
LOOKING AT SUBSCRIPTION, RETAIL WILL ALSO LOP UP.
105. jagadish abbigeri |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 4:47:36 PM
To Arjunsinh Solankiji, & other respected members who suggesting to avoid CCD ipo. Every year rain comes below normal or above normal, that will not differs the lifestyle of anybody. Think of reality, even rain is below normal alcohohol consumption has increased instead of decreasing. Nothing will stop or change. We often see an some men, a labour who earns daily 100 to 500 Rs are spending 50% to 70% of their earnings for drinking alcohols & tobacco habits. Some people spends even 100% of their earnings. It is good that Coffee Day is becoming a favourite spot for various segments of people like youths, IT BT proffessionals, corporate meets. CCD is better place than pub, club, bar. It is becoming a good culture. There is a big difference between 10 rs coffee 40 rs coffee, u feel worth of it bcoz of world class treat n Hygenic facility. Arjunji it is better to have 40 Rs coffee than drinking liquor of 100 Rs, U might b proud of CCD if u read my postings regarding CCD. 99% of Investors are willing to subscribe on last day till now only 1% of investors subscribed, iam also one of them. I applyd 13 lots..
104. SOMPRASH |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 3:02:47 PM
At the end of first day @ 5.00 p.m. 0.13.
At 1.00 p.m. on the second day it is 0.11.
Investors are withdrawing !!!!
104.3. NeoTrade |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 5:27:02 PM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 400+ Likes)
Septa ji...you spread rumors at the time of Prabhat and now you are doing the same with CCD...your analysis of fundamentals is extremely poor, if existent at all...I suggest you should try and stoke your conscience and not mislead those who look at this forum for "genuine" advice on good / bad listings!
104.4. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 6:24:14 PM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Ok Neo trade words like misleading genuine does not sound nice from your mouth we all know guys like u get paid to mislead investor. Anyway I disagree this is not a good IPO avoid fundamental highly priced
103. Roadside Romeo |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 3:02:15 PM
To respond to Atulji''s question as well as some other queries on why retail is skeptical about CCD while anchor demand was strong.
Lets take a couple of case examples of new/concept type stocks, like Educomp in 2006 and Jubilant Foods in 2010. I had done lots of research on both and had spoken to institutions and HNIs at that time of their respective IPOs. At the time of their respective listings, Indian institutions and HNI were very skeptical. Nobody was willing to accept that people will pay Rs 100 per month per child for Educomp''s service and same for Dominos pizza. Foreign investors have seen their economies and people transform over the last 40-50 years and have seen these industries and services become big and successful. One FII told me that it would have looked foolish to buy Coca Cola 60-70 years back or Amazon 15 years back.
What happened with Educomp and Jubilant is that Indians never bought the stock and missed the bus. FII kept buying becatheir perspective is generally superior to ours as they have seen many more cycles in many different countries. Now, promoters plus FII own 90% of Jubilant while only 10% is owned by MF and retail. Today, we Indians sitting here in India find it difficult to accept that people will pay Rs 100 for a cup of coffee. But this is a young country and income levels are accelerating fast. So consumption theme will remain strong for 20-30 years.

Side note:-Educomp eventually busted becathey took very high leverage after growing very fast for 5-6 years, and then started indulging in questionable accounting practices. But trust me, their product was a big hit and widely accepted in big schools in Delhi and Mumbai.
103.1. monty khandelwal |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 4:47:51 PM
@roadside.....yeah CCD EV/EBIDTA is 24-25 times as compared to 40 times of jubilant but we have to look it as a holding company in which their are so many businesses so it can''t be compared firstly.....so considering it holding company should have a discount...and that''s why valuations seems a little expensive....one more thing some part of debt repayment is going for non-coffee business if I am not wrong....we investors will be more than happy if he can sell his stake in Mindtree and repay all of it...it surely is Questionable....
103.2. atul |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 4:56:16 PM (300+ Posts)
Ok we are betting on new concept.it may or may not go through.
102. Arjunsinh Solanki |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 3:03:30 AM
CCD KA IPO SUBSCRIB KARNE SE PAHELE ZARA SOCHO. :>THIS TIME DESH ME BAHOT BEHALl. CHAL RAHI HEY. AUR AGLE 3 SAL THK BHI BARISH KAM HONE SE AKAL HI PADEGA. LOG CHAY KI CABIN ME RS. 10/- WALI COFFEE PINE SE PAHELE BHI SOCHTE HEY, AISE ME CAFE COFFEE DAY KE STORE ME RS.40 WALI COFFEE PINE KAUN JAYEGA? TATA STEEL JAISI RELIABLE SHARE 250/- ME MILTA HEY TO PHIR CCD JAISI GHATIYA BUSINESS WALE SHARES KA PRICE 300 KE UPAR KAISE DENA CJAHIYE?
102.2. star ipo |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 12:33:01 PM
96% people love to drink tea..maximum wants 5 rs cup of tea .....
102.3. Roadside Romeo |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 3:09:15 PM
Mr Solanki you arguement is completely meaningless. You cannot compare stock price of 2 companies on absolute basis. You can only do that on valuations. If company A trades at Rs 200 while company B trades at Rs 100, it does not mean A is better than B.
You should read some basic economics or finance text books and build some elementary knowledge.
Also, Tata Steel is NOT a great stock. They are a commodity company and can never control the selling price of their product. At one point, it was the lowest cost producer of steel which was the biggest advantage. Today, they are suffering becathey bought Corus. And now with iron ore and coal price collapse, Chinese producers have become more cost efficient and they also get interest subsidies. All Indian steel producers are in a structural mess for next 2-3 years unless China stops ing steel across the world.
101. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 1:35:05 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
Hem Securities says – Avoid Coffee Day IPO

"The Company is bringing the issue at price band of Rs 316-328/Share at p/b ratio of approx 3.92-4.07 on post issue book value of approxRs 80.53 per share. Though the company has strong promoter background, brand name, pan India presence but looking after the valuations issue looks steeply priced at present level. Also the company has posted consecutive losses from last few years which doesn’t instill confidence for investment in short term, however in long term investment is advisable only when company will start posting profits. Hence we recommend “Avoid” on issue", says Hem Securities research report.

This recommendation is in-line with what was made on myinvestmentideas blog. If company starts posting profits, one can look to invest in such companies.

Angel Broking says “Neutral on Coffee Day IPO as valuations are expensive”

Angel Broking has analysedCoffee Day Enterprises IPO and indicated that "Considering negligible profits/reported losses of subsidiaries and the complex holding structure of the company, we are of the view that the IPO is priced at a slightly higher valuation. Thus, we recommend a NEUTRAL on the issue", says the research firm.

Angel broking comments about Coffee Day IPO is priced on higher valuation is inline with Myinvestmentideas indicating that it is asking high premium price for such loss making company.

Ajcon Global says “Avoid Coffee Day IPO”

In its report, Ajcon Global stressed “"CDEL incurred losses in Financial Years 2012, 2013 and 2014 and FY15, which may adversely affect the business and financial performance. Its operations are conducted through Subsidiaries. Therefore, its ability to pay dividends on the Equity Shares depends on its ability to obtain cash dividends or other cash payments from its subsidiaries CDEL has pledged certain equity shares held by it in certain Subsidiaries and associate companies held by it in favor of certain lenders to secure loan facilities obtained by our Company and Subsidiaries. Complex holding structure, investors getting other businesses apart from Coffee business in CDEL bouquet which are currently dragging performance on consolidated basis, limited scope to improve EBITDA margins as retail coffee accounts only 30 percent of total capital employed, high capital cost of store addition would be a burden on financials considering low pricing lower as compared to peers like Starbucks in Coffee segment, high debt/equity of 5x, Consolidated Co’sbottomline line in red for past 3 years and steep valuation despite losses we recommend to “AVOID” the issue", says Ajcon Global research report.

Sharekhan says “Long term investment”

Sharekhan says “At the higher end of the issue price, adjusting for the valuation of the listed plays like MindTree, the coffee business is available at 25-26 times its FY2015 EV/Ebitda, which is in line with some of the listed comparable companies and thus is not cheap. However, given the strong brand image, extensive distribution reach and growing disposable income in India, the company is an attractive play on urban discretionary consumption and investors can look at it with a mid- to long-term investment horizon.
Myinvestmentideas says avoid Café Coffee Day IPO

Myinvestmentideas is the first blog in India which analysed about this stock. As indicated in my article, you should avoid such IPO where the valuations are high and investors would not get anything as it is incurring losses in the last 3 years. I already indicated that if in future such company makes profits, one can look at investing in such companies.

Also Read: Cafe Coffee Day IPO – What are positive and negative factors?

Hem Securities says – Avoid Coffee Day IPO

"The Company is bringing the issue at price band of Rs 316-328/Share at p/b ratio of approx 3.92-4.07 on post issue book value of approxRs 80.53 per share. Though the company has strong promoter background, brand name, pan India presence but looking after the valuations issue looks steeply priced at present level. Also the company has posted consecutive losses from last few years which doesn’t instill confidence for investment in short term, however in long term investment is advisable only when company will start posting profits. Hence we recommend “Avoid” on issue", says Hem Securities research report.

This recommendation is in-line with what was made on myinvestmentideas blog. If company starts posting profits, one can look to invest in such companies.

Angel Broking says “Neutral on Coffee Day IPO as valuations are expensive”

Angel Broking has analysedCoffee Day Enterprises IPO and indicated that "Considering negligible profits/reported losses of subsidiaries and the complex holding structure of the company, we are of the view that the IPO is priced at a slightly higher valuation. Thus, we recommend a NEUTRAL on the issue", says the research firm.

Angel broking comments about Coffee Day IPO is priced on higher valuation is inline with Myinvestmentideas indicating that it is asking high premium price for such loss making company.

Ajcon Global says “Avoid Coffee Day IPO”

In its report, Ajcon Global stressed “"CDEL incurred losses in Financial Years 2012, 2013 and 2014 and FY15, which may adversely affect the business and financial performance. Its operations are conducted through Subsidiaries. Therefore, its ability to pay dividends on the Equity Shares depends on its ability to obtain cash dividends or other cash payments from its subsidiaries CDEL has pledged certain equity shares held by it in certain Subsidiaries and associate companies held by it in favor of certain lenders to secure loan facilities obtained by our Company and Subsidiaries. Complex holding structure, investors getting other businesses apart from Coffee business in CDEL bouquet which are currently dragging performance on consolidated basis, limited scope to improve EBITDA margins as retail coffee accounts only 30 percent of total capital employed, high capital cost of store addition would be a burden on financials considering low pricing lower as compared to peers like Starbucks in Coffee segment, high debt/equity of 5x, Consolidated Co’sbottomline line in red for past 3 years and steep valuation despite losses we recommend to “AVOID” the issue", says Ajcon Global research report.

Sharekhan says “Long term investment”

Sharekhan says “At the higher end of the issue price, adjusting for the valuation of the listed plays like MindTree, the coffee business is available at 25-26 times its FY2015 EV/Ebitda, which is in line with some of the listed comparable companies and thus is not cheap. However, given the strong brand image, extensive distribution reach and growing disposable income in India, the company is an attractive play on urban discretionary consumption and investors can look at it with a mid- to long-term investment horizon.

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Anand Rathi says – “Worth long term investment”

"Café coffee day enjoys market share of approximately 46% in India, with their café footprint being nearly four times larger than the cumulative footprint of the next four competitors, as of December 31, 2014. The brand Café Coffee Day is ranked second in the Most Trusted Brands in the food service retail category in India, and was one of the only four indigenous Indian brands to be recognized as the Most Exciting Indian Brand in India. In addition to their coffee business, they operate other selected businesses that are aimed at leveraging India’s growth potential. Thus, this offer is worth considering for investment on a long term basis. Hence, we recommend “Long Term Subscribe” to the issue", says AnandRathi Securities research report.

ICICI Direct says – “Subscribe to Café Coffee Day IPO”

ICICI Direct has released its analysis on Coffee day IPO. It indicates that “We believe CDEL, on the back of the Café Coffee Day business, would be a major beneficiary of a revival in urban discretionary consumption. At the price band of Rs 316-328, a target market cap and EV at the upper end of the price band would be Rs 6756 crore and Rs 10510 crore, respectively. Given the investment value of the IT, logistics, real estate & hospitality businesses is ~Rs 5025 crore, the coffee business is available at 4.3x EV/sales which is ~15% discount to global coffee chain Starbucks. We recommend SUBSCRIBE.

Aditya Birla Money says “Subscribe to Café Coffee Day IPO for long term”

AB Money in its research report on Coffee day IPO indicated that "At the higher price band of Rs 328, the stock is valued at ~2.0x its FY15 consolidated sales of ~ Rs 24.8bn. We have used SOTP methodology (Table on page 2) as an alternative approach to value CDEL. Our back of the envelope calculations suggest the stock is priced closer to its fair value at its upper price band and our one year forward Sept’2016 target is Rs 376/ share. Given a) CCD’s pan India presence, b) strong brand name and c) only listed paper (thereby giving it scarcity premium) in the space, we recommend “Subscribe” on CDEL IPO for long term investors".

Also Read: Best Stocks to invest in India in 2016

Dilip Davda at Chittorgarh says “High Risk”

Dilip Davda, freelance journalist says on Chittorgarh.com that “We have witnessed miserable performances of IPOs of companies in red post listing. Considering continued negative earnings till date and its greedy pricing this offer is a "HIGH RISK" one”

Sanyam Jain of Simpleinterest blog says “Expensive, one should avoid”

Sanyam says since Café Coffee Day is not generating any profits, the price of the IPO cannot be justified and I would suggest staying away from Café Coffee Day IPO.

GoodReturns portal says "IPO is overpriced"

“Fundamentally speaking, the issue is overpriced, simply becathe company has been making losses in the last few years. The best comparison that one can do is with Jubilant Foodworks, which runs the "Dominos" Pizza brand”.

100. hemul shah |   Link |  Bookmark | October 15, 2015 12:54:13 AM
indigo IPO open from 26 Oct to 29 Oct
s h kelkar & co IPO open from 27 Oct to 30 Oct 200 crore ipo
99. maker |   Link |  Bookmark | October 14, 2015 11:04:13 PM
Can anybody please guide me about the process of allotment. Does it depend on number of lots applied? i.e. whether it is proportional to the number of shares applied.
99.1. Forum Modulator |   Link |  Bookmark | October 14, 2015 11:50:00 PM
Hi maker,

Easiest way to understand process of allotment for IPO shares is by looking at some of the previous IPO''s Basis of Allotment document.

For example:

/ipo_basis_of_allotment/prabhat_dairy_ipo/491/

You can pick any IPO which is listed and look for this document through the link on top of the page.

Hope this will help.

Thank you,

Chittorgarh.com Forum Moderator

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98. RASHMIN SAH |   Link |  Bookmark | October 14, 2015 10:49:11 PM
IndiGo''s Rs 2,500-crore IPO gets Sebi nod
ISSUE STARTS ON 26 OCTOBER

SOURCES SAYS CCD WILL BE FULLY SUBSCRIBED.