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530. relevant |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:51:33 AM
Cumulative Bid and Quantity for BSE LIMITED
At BSE-NSE
Last updated on
Wednesday, January 25 , 2017 12:45:00 PM
Price ()      Quantity
805.00      6,50,82,258
806.00      6,50,14,254
Cut-off      2,02,38,894
529. ran |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:40:55 AM
i have axis bank account and applied for 5 demat account with different pan number .. still i want to apply 2 , can you please tell me , which other bank will allows to apply more than 1 application like axis bank ??????
529.5. ran |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 12:03:27 PM
Hdfc bank will allow only the account holder can apply 1 application in online .. But offline , you can apply 5 application ..
529.6. nevermind |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 1:20:44 PM
SBI netbanking allows 5.
528. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:38:37 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
In my opinion all negative post against STAR contributor eagleye is part of other IPO website''''s handy work so eagleye stop contribute Forum modulators so pls have regular check on these sharaaratee tatvon (MISCREANTS) and band them
528.4. Venkatram |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 12:03:24 PM
Top Contributor Top Contributor (300+ Posts, 100+ Likes)
Having a contrary view on the IPO is Okay but to fault someone because they don''t share your view and say it is because they have an agenda is bad. I Agree with Septa don''t insult people just because you can.
528.5. Sreepatil |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 12:05:29 PM
Yes EE madm... U should avoid these people.
527. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:37:51 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
IMO all negative post against STAR contributor eagleye is part of other IPO website''s handy work so eagleye stop contribute Forum modulators so pls have regular check on these sharaaratee tatvon (MISCREANTS) and band them
526. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:32:45 AM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (6600+ Posts, 21900+ Likes)
BSE IPO

Day 3 at 12:30PM

QIB*: 1.627X (*Excluding Anchor)
NII: 15.003X
RII: 4.393X

Total : 5.876X

Applications: 782,000 Approx
No. of Applic-wise: 2.606X
526.4. Gaurav Jhanwar |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:42:44 AM
Yes mam.....you are the best.....ignore negative peoples.....😊
526.5. Shibani ghosh |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:54:05 AM
Admiration feom septa :)
525. Capital Gain |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:28:43 AM
NII 11.19x
524. Dharmesh bhai |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:24:12 AM
150__152 bse
523. Dharmesh bhai |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:17:18 AM
150__152 bse
522. Nits |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:13:39 AM
Today upto what time i can apply
521. ShareView |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:13:22 AM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (2400+ Posts, 3600+ Likes)
Spurt in volume by more than 10 times !!!!!!!!!!!!!
🙏👍
520. Warren |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:11:20 AM
for those who think -ve listing

just once think if nse dare to do list negative for bse ipo
than who will be apply for 10,000 cr nse ipo ?

may b could give surprise listing 1000+
519. govind |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:08:18 AM
please ipogroup add my number
519.1. govind |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:24:33 AM
eagleyeg please ipogroup my number
518. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:04:27 AM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (6600+ Posts, 21900+ Likes)
BSE IPO

Day 3 at 12:00Noon

QIB*: 1.399X (*Excluding Anchor)
NII: 1.432X
RII: 4.114X

Total : 2.764X

Applications: 732,250 Approx
No. of Applic-wise: 2.441X
518.2. Warren |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:12:49 AM
nii --13x

yeeeee game begins
518.3. Septa |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:31:23 AM (4000+ Posts, 4600+ Likes)
thank u
517. Abbey IPO |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:57:11 AM
BSE Limited IPO

Guys please do not fall for this issue. History has proved people (who believe IPO is a one time opportunity in life) always wrong.

Although BSE has its own performance please also note the view point of SP Tulsian as below.

My pinpoint observation in recent times denotes : "Retailers these days are being pushed to buy good IPO at a premium price and later the same is shorted by big bulls to drag the price down. Once panic sets in and retailer selling forces the price downwards - Thats when these shorters AKA BIG BULLS enter and take the share to record highs"

Proven examples from the past :
1. MCX dragged to 250 and accumulated by big guns.

2. ICICI Prudential : dragged till 285 and then bought

3. HPL electric: Still squirting before a bang.

4. Laurus Labs : Same story

Please do not rush to buy at extraordinary prices. - Remember Grahams (Warren Buffet''''s coach) principles.


SP Tulsian Review :
"BSE Limited is entering the primary market on Monday, 23rd January 2017 with an offer for sale (OFS) of upto 1.54 crore equity shares of Rs. 2 each, in the price band of Rs.805 to Rs.806 per share, by 302 selling shareholders, both trading members and financial investors (mainly Singapore Stock Exchange, PE funds Attiucs, GKFF, Acacia and George Soros’ Quantum). Representing 28.26% of the post issue paid-up share capital, the issue will raise Rs. 1,243 crore, at the upper end, and will close on Wednesday, 25th January. Since self-listing is not permitted, shares of BSE Limited will be listed only on NSE.

It will be interesting to watch if the broking entities participating in the OFS can keep aside their conflict of interest while advising clients (subscribe or avoid) on the IPO. Many biggies like Sharekhan, Citigroup, Centrum, JM Financial, Emkay Global, Keynote and Progressive Share Brokers are participating in the OFS and exiting completely. Care to practice what you preach?

BSE Limited, Asia’s oldest stock exchange, has the world’s largest number of listed stocks (5,868, as of Oct 2016), but has failed to leverage its dominant position, as it had CY16 market share of less than 15% in equity cash segment (derivatives share less than 1%), sizeably lagging rival NSE. Despite its 140 year old legacy, strong brand name, and being synonyms to stock markets in India, BSE has failed to become the exchange of choice for all - investors, brokers and issuers.

While the company has made efforts to get its crowning glory back, desired results were not achieved as competition has been tough. Having spent Rs.269 crore over 5 years to enhance volumes in the derivatives segment (through liquidity enhancement incentive programs), lack of fruitful results prompted the company to discontinue the initiative.

Compliance, at times, has been mere namesake, as prompt action does not seem to have been taken against erring companies. Take for instance, BK Birla group company Kesoram Industries, which is yet to submit FY16 annual report, and Mandhana Industries, having not yet considered Q1 and Q2 FY17 numbers, with independent directors having resigned, FY16 declared dividend withdrawn, and continues to be listed in the B category. On the contrary, mid-caps like Pondy Oxide, Quantum Paper, NR Agarwal, Roto Pumps, Haldyn Glass, Samkrg Piston to name a few, which meet listing norms and some even have institutional holding, fall under the XC and XD category, where transaction charges are higher, as also, face weekly/monthly/quarterly/ yearly price caps, which are seen much lower than their worth, causing confusion for adequate and due returns to the investors. In this day and age technology and speed, where even nano seconds make a difference, with its operations being in this very competitive space, importance of timely compliance and quick action thereon cannot be undermined, which needs to be adhered to while uploading quarter numbers, where NSE seems to be having an edge.

Coming onto the financials, although FY16 consolidated total income increased 5% YoY to Rs. 658 crore, PBT before exceptional items contracted marginally by 3% YoY to Rs. 238 crore. Accounting for tax and share of minority and associates, PAT declined 6% YoY to Rs.123 crore, which has been on a downward trajectory – declining from Rs.172 crore in FY12 to Rs.135 crore in FY14 and further down in FY16.

For H1FY17 however, financials fared better, as consolidated total income improved to Rs. 383 crore and PAT (after minority) came in at Rs.105 crore, resulting in an EPS of Rs.19.22. BSE currently owns 50.05% stake in depository CDSL, which will reduce to 24%, in compliance with regulations, by way of IPO of CDSL, expected in FY17. Thus, in FY18, consolidated topline of BSE will reduce by about Rs.120 crore and PAT by about Rs.20 crore. Moreover, two exceptional items – expense on liquidity enhancement scheme and SEBI-directed 25% transfer of profit to settlement guarantee fund – will not recur, which should boost bottomline going forward.

Based on back of the envelope calculations, one can infer that treasury operations and depository (CDSL holding) are the twin bread-earners for the company, while core stock market activity yields meagre profits, as seen from the below table:

Amount in Rs. Crore
H1FY17 revenue
Approx. Contribution to H1FY17 PBT before exceptional items
FY16 revenue
Approx. Contribution to FY16 PBT before exceptional items
Income from Investments & Rental income
116
116
200
200
CDSL (54% share till 30-9-16)
88
24
139
51
BSE pure play
179
28
319
(12)
Total
383
168
658
238
Note: CDSL data is sourced from its DRHP dated 24Dec16.

Thus, pure play core activity of running a stock exchange is not materially earnings accretive for BSE. Also, hefty dividend pay outs each year indicate lack of growth avenues for the company.

As of 30-9-16, BSE’s consolidated net worth stood at Rs. 2,553 crore, translating into BVPS of Rs. 468. Being debt free, company, like other stock exchanges, is cash rich with cash and equivalents of Rs. 2,492 crore (cash per share of Rs. 464). Since its demutualization and corporatisation, it does not have any identifiable promoter. Currently, 43.56% stake is held by trading members, 20.72% under FDI, 9.05% by FIIs, 4.68% by LIC and balance 21.99% by public (mainly financial investors).

Financial investors participating in the ensuing OFS such as Quantum and Bajaj Holdings have cost of acquisition in the range of Rs. 800 and Rs. 809 per share. While Quantum is exiting completely, Bajaj Holding is selling half its holding, at cost price, after holding the same for over 7 years now. Exiting a 7-9 year old investment at cost price fares worst that India’s quasi risk-free savings bank interest rate too!

At Rs, 806, company will have market cap of Rs. 4,328 crore, which translates into PE multiple of 36x and 21x, based on FY16 and FY17E earnings respectively. Closest Indian peer in the listed space is MCX, which not only has double digit growth rates and a near-monopoly position but also a lion’s market share of 90% in its segment of commodities, although its market cap of Rs. 6,175 crore and PE multiple of 40x (FY17E) are both higher. In a nutshell, while BSE has been a wealth creator for the Indian and global investor community, sadly, it cannot boast of the same feat as a company, for its own shareholders. This IPO looks structured as a ‘long overdue’ exit route for BSE’s shareholders.

However, if one can take a call purely on valuations, excluding cash on hand and value of CDSL holding, just the stock exchange business is available at a valuation of approximately Rs. 1,100 crore, which is probably the rock-bottom. Hence, if one can take a bet, considering upcoming international exchange at GIFT city, it may not be a bad choice in the long term, purely from a valuation point of view, due to no pure stock exchange listed now in the market."

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2.1. Eagleye Jan 25, 2017 8:49:21 AM IST
BSE Limited IPO

Dear Abbey IPO sir,

May I request you to kindly request Guruji Shri. SP Tulsianji to also discuss other proven examples from the past, such as:

1) RBL Bank
2) Advanced Enzyme Technologies
3) Quess Corp
4) Mahanagar Gas
5) Ujjivan Financial Services
6) Thyrocare Technologies
7) Equitas Holding
8) Infibeam Incorporation
9) Narayana Hrudayalaya
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2.2. courser Jan 25, 2017 9:03:33 AM IST
BSE Limited IPO

If one believe so, then also he must apply to get listing gain... and re-enter when the price drop occurs....

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2.3. Abbey IPO Jan 25, 2017 11:45:01 AM IST
BSE Limited IPO

Dear Eagle Eye ji;

All my posts are my very own thinking incorporating all opinions.

I do not have any vested interests nor do i work for money / KICKBACKS unlike others.

In response to RBL BANK and other entities mentioned please do note that sufficient shares were cornered by BIG BULLS already. But post RBL where retail subscription was high and shares could not be cornered;;;; ========> Hence the change in IPO allocation Process after RBL.

Please follow the link below :

http://ipo-central.in/ipo-allotment-basis-change-soon-sebi-indicates/
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2.4. Abbey IPO Jan 25, 2017 11:46:16 AM IST
BSE Limited IPO

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(Please remove "-" in between IP0CENTRAL from above link)
516. Ankur Goell |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:52:38 AM
Anybody used ucobank asba? I applied through UCO asba on Monday but application is not submitted to exchange yet. Even I am not able to withdraw the application. I m not sure whether UCO Bank will submit my application to exchange or not.
516.1. CHOCKALINGAM |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 12:41:43 PM
YES I AM WORKING AS SENIOR MANAGER OF UCO BANK BRANCH AND I HAVE APPLIED TWO APPLICATIONS THROUGH UCO BANK ONLY . THE APPLICATIONS CAN BE WITHDRAWN UPTO 2.00 P.M. ON THE LAST DAY OF THE BIDING DATE AND WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE EXCHANGE AFTER 2.00 P.M. ON THE LAST DAY . I HAVE CHECKED MY STATUS OF APPLICATION WHICH IS SUCCESS AND IS ALSO ALLOWING TO WITHDRAW . PL. CHECK ONCE AGAIN CORRECTLY.
515. JAI MATA DI |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:50:11 AM
IPO Mentor IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 500+ Likes)
How many app. I can apply from one saving account by different PAN and different d. Mate account
515.1. Aashish |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:02:07 AM
upto 5
514. Sbr |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:49:47 AM (200+ Posts)
Bse india ipo Wait for 3 hours and you will know that NIIs have oversubscribed by 160 to 200 times. This will create a record of the sort.
513. unknown |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:45:18 AM
Pls update premium
513.1. Dharmesh bhai |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 11:26:29 AM
150_152 bse
512. gupa |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:45:07 AM
IF FII NOT COME THEN I WILL WITHDRAW MY 5 APPLICATIONS MAY BE DISCOUNT LISTING LIKE ICICI LIFE
512.1. Shibani ghosh |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:47:40 AM
Wow !!!!!
512.2. ran |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:54:15 AM
no need to whithdraw
It will 1000 + sure shot
511. Eagleye |   Link |  Bookmark | January 25, 2017 10:34:10 AM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (6600+ Posts, 21900+ Likes)
BSE IPO

Day 3 at 11:30AM

QIB*: 0.450X (*Excluding Anchor)
NII: 1.044X
RII: 3.861X

Total : 2.283X

Applications: 687,200 Approx
No. of Applic-wise: 2.291X