What a change in scenario in past two days... Initially I was in a dilemma whether to go full force in Dcx Or Bikaji but somehow made my mind to go full force in DCX... Now have arranged fund to apply few sHNI but in a big dilemma whether to go for it...
I will avoid this because no fundamentals and too costly as well. Instead of this I will go for good IT companies which values are low. Will give good return in short term.
Government has launched eRupee Digital currency, the technology they are using is Blockchain. Government hasn't disclosed who they are working with on eRupee, but during COVID they used Matic-polygon for their cowin website and data integration. If someone could find out who they are working with, it would be a good time to invest in that crypto if eRupee takes off in future.
As pointed out, Matic polygon jumped from 75 to 104.....eRupee Launch is the key reason. Matic is India's technology. Happy investing. Target is 1000+ in 1 year. Risk reward is high.
Bikaji company's yearly Revenue is far less than 2000 crores and Net profit is less than 100 crores and the promoters are asking Valuation of 44000 crores ? Means Asking valuation more than 450 X yearly profit and 27.5 X yearly sales ? Isn't this a joke ??
I don't really understand why many are calculating market cap using difference between pre & post promoter holding as a measure.!!!! There can also be non promotor sellers!!! 25 crore shares 300 price . Market cap is 7500 crores(approx).
@Arca @Dalal bhai I am talking about Company Valuation and not Market Cap. You both are right that MCAP is 7500 cr. but as per details shared so far, only 2% of equity is on sale for 881 cr. that come to company valuation of Rs.44000 Cr.
I don't really understand how only 2% is on sale.is there any preference share capital or share option/warrant to be exercised? 2.9 crore shares out of 25 are being sold which comes around 12%. Could you elaborate on 44000 crore valuation.
@ Piyush C You are absolutely right and speaking of market cap not company valuation. Reconciliation of two figure : 7500÷25×24.35666×6 brings your figure which is 43841 @ Arca Total number of share is 146.139 cr not 25 cr So p/e 100 or 600 ? Bhujwai / halwai ka doom dekho ! Thank you
92.10. ipo stonks| Link| Bookmark|
November 4, 2022 7:04:10 PM
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@Piyush Chaudhary On chittorgarh it is literally mentioned “pre promoter holding” and “post promoter holding”, and the difference of 2.01% is of PROMOTER HOLDING. In offer for sale, apart from Promoters there are also other shareholders who sell their shares.
You can open the RHP and literally on the very first page you can see they have mentioned Promoters who sold their shares and other investors who sold their shares. Promoters are offloading only 50L shares @300 which translates to 150 crores. This 150 crores is 2.01% and hence market cap around 7500 crores.
@Asoke Sarkar I don’t know from where you got the 146.139 cr figure. Please refer page 260 of RHP. No of shares in circulation is 24,95,09,880 crores. And hence it is around 7500 crores
@Piyush chaudhari bhai thoda samaj 881 cr jo bech rahe hai wo promoter nahi hai Chalo simple language me samjata hu koi bhi company start hoti hai to uske promoter ki holding 100% hoti hai right ? Baad me funding ke liye company ka kuch hissa bechte hai isi tarike se bikaji valo ne apna hissa kuch logo ko becha uske baad unke pass 78% k aas pass Raha abhi 22% jisko becha usme se kuch log sell kar rahe hai 881 cr ka aur 2% promoter sale kar rahe hai @Asok sarkar company promoter holding 78% shares in company so they it is obvious that 22% shares are sold to someone right ? Out 22% some shareholders are selling there stake and also 2% promoters selling there stake all combine is 881 cr ( inshort in some of old shareholders who are not promoters and 2% promoters selling there stake for 881 cr )
For Minor A/c, as far as Kotak is considered, it doesn't provide Online ASBA as Minor A/c is Available in Guardian Netbanking Login..Hope clear. Deposit of ASBA Physical Form can be done if someone can take that much hassle.Sometime the MOST Intelligent Bank Staff says - deposit the form at SCSB only, because they have No knowledge of Physical ASBA. But in ICICI BANK, if minor PAN is updated in BANK Account ( which is practically possible if you can convince ...yes CONVINCE...Account opener) then Netbanking Online ASBA is 10000% possible
Those who are getting confused between market cap and valuations -
First of all, market cap and valuation are the same thing..
Here are some calculations for you - Promoters are offloading 50 lakh shares *300 price = 2% of the total issue. 150crore = 2% issue, Therefore, 100% issue is a 7500 crore valuation.
I don't understand how people are saying 2% issue of promoter = 7500crore. This is a wrong interpretation.
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November 4, 2022 10:54:53 PM
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IPO Open : 11-Nov-2022 IPO Close : 15-Nov-2022 Basis of Allotment : 18-Nov-2022 Initiation of Refunds: 21-Nov-2022 Credit of Shares : 22-Nov-2022 IPO Listing Date : 23-Nov-2022
@Eklavya Let Amitji eat and love Bikaji. Don't disturb Amitji, he is very senior. "AUR BHI NAMKIN HAI BAZAR MAIN, BIKAJI KE SIVA". PKRAJ loves "HALDIRAM".
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November 4, 2022 10:44:32 AM
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Are you sure, he loves Bikaji or the money that comes to him for saying so?
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November 4, 2022 10:44:33 AM
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Bikaji Market is almost nil in South. We have better local brands than Bikaji. Even Haldiram is better option
86.6. Eklavya| Link| Bookmark|
November 4, 2022 11:37:43 AM
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Hi PKRAJ... This was just in a lighter vein and with full regard to AmitJi and his seniority. You may have noticed that too.
Hello True info.. We all know what he loves most, don't we? In fact, I flip the channel when his ads are aired... After this and Haldiram, we will wait for Dhaniya Lakshman...
@ Trueinfo Not me but you and others all know the truth. Need not say anything more here. We are not so big celebrities like them, they are very successful in their field. We are also well placed in our own field. @Eklavya To be lighter is very good. Your behavior is already in your name. Very nice. Forget BIKAJI. Have a nice day to all.
Talking about betrayal, I love haldiram but putting my money in bikaji's IPO.🥺
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November 4, 2022 1:05:13 PM
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@admin Nov 4, 2022, 1:55:48 PM it's showing this time on the latest post. Whereas currently, it's 1:04 PM only. I think this is the issue with server time. Please set it to IST. Thanks.
Face value 1 from 10, people holding it in offline matket will get 10x value. As previously pointed put in this forum in that offline price 360/- Another Paytm like Fiasco, FV game is being played here. Be cautious before applying.
@Monster Zero. Offline market (unlisted ) have face value Rs 1 each. I have 1000 share of bikaji food having face value of Rs 1. So it's not another Paytm . It's become a multibegger stock. Dear mark my word. Indian top namkeen manufacturing company. The years old brand. Today GMP 97. BUYER. Now in all IPO It's become 1st choice of every punter. It's gave multiple s returns. IMO Listing is super duper. I apply with full force in this IPO. Also with funding in NII. BUT I MAY BE WRONG. So please take decision as per your opinion. SUNO SABKI KARO MANKI . 🙏
@Mannu Bhai. I requested to you please don't use any Hard words for any member of this CG forum. All members of this forum are respectable and gave respect to each other. We have different thoughts agree or disagree from each other. Monester Bhai gave his opinion only. So I requested to you please maintain importance of this forum. Please don't take other wise. Thanks
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October 28, 2022 8:53:03 PM
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@Monster Zero Please continue with your advise. Some people may not require your help but maximum do need your valuable guidance. I have been following your suggestions regularly and it helps me a lot. Thanks for sparing your valuable time. 🙏🙏
@Monster Zero, continue with sharing your valuable input, this forum needs people like you who is willing to share the knowledge unconditionally. Please keep it up.
@manu Aggarwal.... sorry to say this. The way you posted about monster zero was not good. I felt It was quite rude. Maybe he has different strategies to understand the stock and your strategy is different. Every one can't have the same opinions. If you had felt his view was wrong then you could have posted your views instead of taunting. This respected form is to share knowledge and views about stock market only. please continue with that.
Thanks to people who are in support and a big thanks to individuals who made me realise i have a lot to learn. Still i think it's a risky bet for holding, even though it's a know brand but it is in a very generic industry, with it's big brother Haldiram being the industry king in a segregated market. While Haldiram has become more modern , with a wide range of products , same from bikaji is expected in the long run. My call is listing gains only. Also not to mention the ridiculous 119 P/E. Not going to apply due to lack of funds. Gone full force in DCX only.
@Monster "KUCHHTO LOG KAHENGE, LOGOKA KAAM HAI KEHNA, CHHODO BEKARKI BATON KO, KAHI BIT NAA JAAYE RAINA". But you are absolutely correct. In my opinion 'Sky is the limit' for learning. Even after so many years in Share Market, I am still learning. If any one says, he is perfect, I think nobody will say, will be beyond everything. So, enjoy and do as you are doing.
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November 1, 2022 6:19:09 AM
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@manuagg...ji I am a teacher, in our system to clear an exam, student requires atleast one year. But life teach big lesson within a second. Experience is important but it always not proportional to time spent. You can use better words. If a person with 20 years of experience shares his idea with newbee, newcomer can gain experience of 20 years. This is moto of forum.
@ Smile Ji... I completely agree with your words. My only aim is to say ---- that 2 years in the stock market and .........using the word "expert" is toooooooo BIG.... Because these 2 years 2020-2022 ,the market is playing with investors by giving decent returns who buys and hold for Sometime...But who have seen 2000,2008,2013 and may more years ...will think "N" number of times to say the word EXPERT. Anyways ..AGAIN saying .... NObody has to take it personally ...and everybody is free to express himself/herself. But 2 years are toooo less....because this market has the capability of and generally does..what? It takes ALL the earnings of 10-20 years in very short span of just say 1 year Belive or Not....Anybody's Prerogative....
Manu Agarwal has an OCD around the word 'Expert' which i didn't even write in this thread or any other thread to begin with. 😂 It's laughable now to see you argue over something which is not even written in thread. Take a chill pill.
@ Monster Zero hahahahahhaahahahhaaha I think you write and forget forever. You have clearly written to someones's query ...THAT " I am not Expert in SME" It means you are an expert in other Scrips...not scripTs.......Right????????? So Judge Yourself as per your wish.... AGAIN SAYING I AM NOT AGAINST...any individual...But yes wrong thinking and wrong words...that pinches.... Take a bitter and better pill....
@ ALL This Monster Zero has used words : "OCD" Now nobody will complian because he is their mentor. and if some lese uses the same word : everybody would come to defend their favourite: Monster WOW...
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November 1, 2022 9:52:21 AM
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@all market itself is biggest expert sometimes took heavy fees from us, no other is expert. we all are learners, here to learn. Keep learning, be happy make others happy.
Can't stop myself from posting. Some takes years to learn. Some are quick learners and become pro. Sabki apni apni shamta hoti h. And as per this guy, the more experienced you are, the more knowledge you have. #crap. These people are the one's who doesn't innovate, doesn't like change, can't handle out of box thinking. Zindagi jaisi chal rhi h chalne do. Agar in me itna experience h toh RJ kyun nhi ban gaya. idar kya kar rhe ho.
And for MZ- thanks for having you here. Always Prompt replies, no BS, no ego, no attitude. Continue your good work.
@Not Alloted It's difficult to become RJ. But remember one thing, R J could not treat himself properly and left everything behind. Man proposes, God disposes. It's better to become good human being. Write and let others write. Once you are R J, you will always be in Share Market only. My thinking. Don't mind it.
@Monster I have observed in this forum that harsh comments against any senior, junior or knowledgeable members are generally liked in good numbers. Surpring and very surprising, the members are liking such posts and encouraging members to write such opinions. It is difficult to avoid such things in any forum. Let them be very happy.
If anybody wants to become ipo mentor or ipo guru etc u can post updated gmp's of all ipo which are in dashboard instead of writing spam, big spam etc words for no reason.
82.26. Chem cho| Link| Bookmark|
November 2, 2022 5:40:32 PM
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one has right to write if any one says good ipo ,every one will ignore or say good boy if any one writes against the IPO , there are 25 comments one has to understand whether to apply or not apply This is share market when there is a buyer ,there is a seller Grey market may come down or go up , you are applying in IPO with your hard earn money Best of luck
Agree to 'not alloted ' monster zero is big asset to this forum. Many thanks to monster
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November 4, 2022 10:46:48 AM
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Have to admit I have seen many of the best advices, suggestions & even Recos from Monster Zero. Although this time I also disagree a bit on BFIL’s comparison with Paytm, but that doesnt mean you start characterising! Its just a matter of opinion.
बाक़ी तो सर ऐसा है कि 100 में से 100 को भगवान भी नहीं राज़ी कर पाया, हम तो फिर इंसान हैं। @Monster Zero
@monster bhai you have always guided us with prompt answers & best advices Also remember one thing which I many times prefer in such circumstances "Ignorance is Bliss"
I request everyone to let go of this thread, he's just a fellow member and i hope he'll guide us in future with his knowledge and experience, because that's what we came looking here. Each one teach one.
BFIL has shown Prataap Snacks, DFM Foods, Nestle India, and Britannia Ind. as their listed peers. They are currently trading at a P/E of 152.68, 00, 83.43, and 62.35 (as of October 31, 2022). As per above observation, bikaji asking p/e 119 and prataap only above bikaji, As per my observation, listing gain will not much more may be around between 20-30 rs. or if market down then it also happen to vanish this 20-30 rs.
Decision should not be taken on personal bias..but since it's food .. I'll do what is not advised generally.
I have never bought bikaji snacks even though when there were no other options. At railways platform..or driving on a highway.. or grocery delivery apps blinkit, jiomart, swiggy,
Choices were always among lays, uncle chips or haldiram.. even I tried too yumm, ITC bingo. ..other good brands Pringle Doritos..but never tried bikaji.. somehow I always got feeling that this is inferior in quality.. that's not the brand positioning i could relate with.
Hence avoiding.
79.1. Abhii VPG| Link| Bookmark|
November 4, 2022 11:36:07 AM
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In Rajasthan, Bikaji is the most preferred brand (specifically in namkeens like bhujia, not in potato chips) comparison here is not apt! #just talking about the brand not the ipo pricing/ valuations/ reasonable or not.
Yes.. it might be very strong in Raj and in bhujiya... .. it seems too small.
I am looking for snacks category in entirety for comparison. I might be wrong.
Bhujiya is mostly consumed with some other products.. poha.. chat allo tikki, Pani puri while other snacks are consumed standalone.. maybe that's the reason why I can't relate with this much.
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November 4, 2022 11:38:03 AM
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earlier kalyaang ipo having amitaabh brand ambassador did kalyaan of investor , now they will have bhugia in there hands , donot go grey market premium just mouth littering