Companies like these can''t have increased profits every year guys. They Collect Tolls and Have fixed incomes as their main source. So don''t go on the loss amount, but see the Assets of the company as those are the indicator for Investment in this type of IPO. As far as Assets Go. They''re indicating an Increase Every Year.
juju sir Objects of the Issue is to buy interest earning instruments (in the form of quasi equity/subdebts). The idea is to consolidate all the cashflows of the group from the SPVs into BRNL. the other object is to invest Rs 51 crs in the form of equity/subdebt in the one and only underconstruction project i.e STPL. The other objects could have been repayment of Debt or keeping aside money for growth capital however not more than 25% of the issue amount can be kept aside for GCP/growth capital, so the company is already keeping aside an amount of Rs 150 crs for the same. Further on a standalone basis BRNL is debt light (only Rs 149 crs of Debt) and therefore repayment of debt is ruled out. with a post issue networth of 1174 crs Company can lever the Balance sheet for its organic and inorganic growth.
Regarding P/B , again this is not the right way to look at but BRNL P/B on post issue would be Rs 150/205 approx i.e 1.36. While comparing one should look at the avg concession period left of the projects, which is 18 yrs 6 months which is high in compared to the peers and that make the difference because the future cashflow will be coming for larger period compared to others.
Apply for Listing Gains according to the subscription Data when the offer Opens. Not much for investors in the short term here as the company furnishes loss. It won''t give any dividend to the investors. For long term investors ( who can forget about the share for a year or 2) It''s a Good Bet To make. As the company has increased its assets over the time. Apply if you can bear some risk and according to market conditions and subscription Data.
Suno Sab ki, Karo Dil ki. Bhai goverment company hai, bindast daal do paisa isme. Listing gain to mil hi jayega. Aur iska subscription dekh lena, min 50X hoga.
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September 1, 2017 8:47:40 PM
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Har "Bharat " naam ki cheez government ki nahi hoti... aur har "Make in India Fund" sarkari fund nahi hota
Company has carried forward losses that will take time for wiping off. Hence there is no harm in giving this IPO a miss.
On performance front, BRNL has (on a consolidated basis) reported turnover and losses of Rs. 41.49 cr. / Rs. – (8.38 ) cr. (FY15), Rs. 4.25 cr. / Rs. – (49.84) cr. (FY16) and Rs. 14.93 cr. / Rs. – (36.74) cr. (FY17). It has posted inconsistency in top and bottom lines for all these years. Company has been incurring losses and has carried forward losses too. However, premium collected in preferential issue to promoters in November 2016 has helped company to show positive net worth as on 31.03.17. It has posted average negative EPS of (Rs. 22.13) and (Rs. 48.51) on standalone and consolidated basis for last three fiscals. Average RoNW for last three financial years stands at – (7.29%) and – (159.46%) on standalone and consolidated basis. With the help of premium on preferential issue made in November 2016, it’s NAV as on 31.03.17 stood at Rs. 77.17 (standalone) and Rs. 78.64 (consolidated). Thus asking price has a negative P/E which is not measurable.
On BRLMs front, Inga Capital Pvt. Ltd., one of the BRLMs, associated with the issue has handled 3 public issues n the past 3 years, out of which 1 issue closed below the issue price on listing date. Investec Capital Services (India) Pvt. Ltd. and SREI Capital Markets Ltd, other BRLMs associated with the issue have not handled any public issues of equity shares in the past 3 years.
The Price Band is Rs 195 to Rs 205 and the Lot size is 73 Shares.
The company is consistently making Losses(The diluted EPS for FY2017 is Rs -48.51)
The P/e ratio of the Industry is around 11.60 and this company being loss making with an with negative EPS is offering shares at Rs 205.
The NAV per share is Rs 78.64 which makes Price/Book ratio as 2.61 times which is also higher as the same ratio for much better peer like IRB Infra is around 1.42 times.
Since the company is loss making the return on networth is also negative.
Even the Objects of the issue is not useful to the prospective investor. The company will be advancing the issue proceeds for advancing as subordinate debt which is unsecuted & Interest Free and acquisition of subordinate debt from SREI (Promoter of the company). This is not at all useful for the Shareholders of this company.
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August 30, 2017 12:04:36 PM
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Agreed, I expected the issue price to be anywhere around 210 to make P/BV in range of 2.1-2.8. After all it''s asset is the only silver lining here, but the Object of issue as rightly pointed out by you is not convincing enough to invest in this company. I will avoid this Issue and may go for Dixon
Promoters have also invested money @ 205, refer page 80 of the RHP
2) The company is consistently making Losses(The diluted EPS for FY2017 is Rs -48.51)
- The business model of BOT Road sector is such that in the first few years of tolling the projects are PAT negative due to (a) peak debt post project completion and initial years of tolling, (b) high cost of debt due to project interest rates reset done post completion only and construction risk is over which take further 1-2 years for rate reduction post completion (c) Toll rates are at rock bottom level as concession allows rate increase every year post project completion @ wpi (d) depreciation charged over the tolling/operational period of the project is actually apportionment of the project cost incurred during construction and is a charge on profit without any asset replacement requirement since the asset is not required to be replaced and shall be transferred to authority after the concession period of 25/30 yrs gets over 3) The P/e ratio of the Industry is around 11.60 and this company being loss making with an with negative EPS is offering shares at Rs 205.-
Pe ratio have no relevance in this industry, it''s a cash flow/yeild business and DCF model and sum of parts value is considered 4) The NAV per share is Rs 78.64 which makes Price/Book ratio as 2.61 times which is also higher as the same ratio for much better peer like IRB Infra is around 1.42 times - need to look at the post issue nav, for that one should further add the ipo fund raised I.e 6000 mio approx divided by 839,500,000 shares (post issue shares) which comes to rs 71.47 and post issue nav would be rs 150+ so Price to book would be 1.36.
5) Since the company is loss making the return on networth is also negative. Company''s projects are in it''s Initial year of operation so Pat is negative ( refer point 2)
6) Even the Objects of the issue is not useful to the prospective investor. The company will be advancing the issue proceeds for advancing as subordinate debt which is unsecured & Interest Free and acquisition of subordinate debt from SREI (Promoter of the company). This is not at all useful for the Shareholders of this company.
Rs 372 crs are used to buy subdebt which are not at all interest free and would yeild 12% minimum yeild asper the terms of the respective instrument, refer page 92-95 of RHP. Rs 51 crs out of the Issue proceed will be used to advance interest free loan to STPL project since it''s a part of equity commitment and Under the STPL Loan Facility the required contribution by the STPL sponsors towards the STPL Committed Capital can be contributed inter alia in the form of equity share capital and/or subordinated debt (which shall be non-interest bearing during the construction period only.) Refer pg 91 of RHP. Stpl and it''s sponsors hv opted for subordinate debt in place of equity to have flexibility in the capital structure.
Looks like some one from the lead managers or their PR team is lurking on this site, trying to salvage the upcoming disaster.
@rkpatel: Its not going to work.
1.So you want the public to make a bad investment because the promoters did so? 2.The company has not earned a single paisa of profit and do you seriously expect us to believe they will do so with your 4 point presentation? I can pick a ton of holes in your logic especially on your claims about depreciation charging. 3. I do partly agree with this but how do you expect a normal investor to make an investment decision without any data? 4. You didn''t take into consideration the losses that are yet to come. 5. Dude it''s an infrastructure company incorporated in 2006, we''re in 2017. They''re not amazon.
1) The Promoters have invested in the Company at Rs 205 and by the issue proceeds from public investors they are taking back the money in form of acquisition of Debt. Which is like circular transaction in which the public investors will be come pupets in the hands of promoters . 2) We understand that in the BOT Sector first few years the profits are negative but when there are existing companies which are operating in the same sector which are making profits, It will be better for investors to buy those companies that invest in this. 3)On Post issue basis the price/book value might be lower but since the book value will be going lower and lower every year since the company is doing losses. 4)As discussed in the first point the ultimate beneficiary is the promoters ( so it is better to invest in the promoter than to apply in this issue.)
Company in it''s Analyst meet today in Mumbai have explained in detail the Objects of the Issue
a) Rs 372 crs are used to buy subdebt which would yeild 12% to 14% yeild asper the terms of the respective instrument, refer page 92-95 of RHP for the terms.
b) Rs 51 crs out of the Issue proceed will be used to advance interest free loan to STPL project since it''''s a part of equity commitment and Under the STPL Loan Facility the required contribution by the STPL sponsors towards the STPL Committed Capital can be contributed inter alia in the form of equity share capital and/or subordinated debt (which shall be non-interest bearing during the construction period only.) Refer pg 91 of RHP. Stpl and it''''s sponsors hv opted for subordinate debt in place of equity to have flexibility in the capital structure.
c) Balance amount of GCP shall be used for organic and inorganic growth
The company plans to consolidate all the cash flows of the group from the Project SPVs in BRNL and therefore post equity consolidation of SPV stakes in BRNL now buying out the subdebt/ quasi equity to ring fence the balance cash flows also. All this instrument are yeild generating instrument and therefore the above objects are part of the company stategy to consolidate the cash flows from the Project SPVs in BRNL.
This is a very clear case of promoters and merchant bankers trying to get the maximum mileage out of the current extremely positive, no extremely bullish sentiment for IPOs. Classic Case of irrational exuberance that needs to be capped by all retail investors. Don''t think that all IPOs will give listing gains.
And also don''t go by the subscription numbers from FIIs/Mutual funds/institutional investors. Those fund managers aren''t putting their own hard earned money like us. For them even if 5/6 out of 10 investments earn profits, it is good for them on average returns and they can claim hefty bonuses. Not for us. So many high profile IPOs have bitten the dust and never recovered. It is our money and our neck on the chopping block. Let us be prudent in our decisions.
Let''s teach greedy promoters and their backers a lesson. LET''S AVOID THIS IPO AT ALL COSTS....BOYCOTT. Don''t apply