@ Gb, Shorting is a game of big operators. Retailers can''t match. You should have direct access to market not through intermediary or intermediary should be involved too. ( NB.- This is inference got through available open source knowledge. It may not be true.) Some people sorted shares just before 2007-08 melt down. They became billionaire in a day.
Earlier I got allotment and was very Happy mil gaya.. bech denge koi chakkar nahi.. . Jabse 9.45 ka concept mila Gr infra mein by Eagle mam........ .... Don''t sell@ 9.45 am.....
Yaha toh bahut locha hota hain @ 9.45 am....πππ...
Toh mere curiosity baad gayi hain abh @9.45 Only in alloted application....
I will do the experiment in upcoming ipo with 1 share and will see how it''s executed. If my broker allows me to do that....π§....
Aptus issue size 2780 cr issue is big size BUT OVER SUSCRIBE IS VERY GOOD. Qib suscribe 32 TIMES NIL SUSCRIBE 33 TIMES DONOT SELL YOUR SHARE IN PANIK.. IPO PRICE MAY BE COME POSSIBLE.
395. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
August 21, 2021 2:18:27 PM
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TO ALL THE RETAILERS : one big thing we all need to take care and follow if we don''''t want much negative listing is that dont put your sell orders at much below price in pre opening....just to sell the holding in pre opening i am seeing people are advising and putting two much low price just to sell at listing price....but you need to understand that these low price sell orders only responsible for keep the listing price down and making loss for us indirectly... So request everyone not to put sell order below 350 in this ipo....And in all other ipo''''s we should follow this
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August 21, 2021 3:12:29 PM
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@lokes...I think Price falls when there is less or no buying, not just only due to selling pressure. Usually Heavy selling or buying is usually done by biggies and operators than Retailers.
So if each Retailer puts 1 lot buy order at issue price will stop the fall and will even rise than only just restraining from selling
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August 21, 2021 3:36:26 PM
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@sdz: yes both buying and selling matters in price discovery obviously....and yes biggies and operators also put these big sell orders at low price.... But i am mentioning here only what is there in our hands....since retailers will not put buy orders taking risks in current times and in such not a great company so that is ruled out option and since operators etc also will keep doing what they want..... so i mentioned only what we can do to have better price discovery, remaining things not in our control....so its appeal to only those who allotment and putting sell orders in per-opening to use proper price for putting their sell orders
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August 21, 2021 4:39:40 PM
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absolute right
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August 23, 2021 3:04:20 PM
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Reminding again to everyone....dont put panic sell orders at very low price in pre opening...keep orders around and above 350..... else you may sell in loss in pre lisitng and it may increase later like it happened in nuvoco today
Sdz is correct that the sale price by retailers won''t make a differnce. But, you advising the retailers to put a value around Rs 350 also shouldn''t be done. You should ask them to hold on and observe the 1st one hour of trade at the very least. 15k is not a huge amount and selling in panic within the 1st hour shouldn''t be done... At the most it might save u a few hundreds more in the worst case scenario of falling even more from the preopen price ... The IPO applications should be seen as a whole... Plus in some... Minus in the other.... Anyways, only companies that u wouldn''t mind holding in your Demat for some time should deserve your IPO applications.
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August 23, 2021 5:26:03 PM
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@MK : if you have seen sdz reply then i hope you seen my reply also on that...
And you also need to understand that my opinion/advise is only for those who are putting these junk price sell order, to them i am telling that alteast put order near to ipo price since as per these ipo''s going putting too high price also wont help in selling....
you need to get my point here.....
whatever you saying to hold and dont sell and 15K is not big amount etc etc, that i know and obvious is the first thing to do and advisable for all.... but my advise is for those who can''t hold for short/long term as per own capacity/thinking and they just want to sell in whatever pre-opening listing price and for that purpose people are putting these too much low price sell orders so that their orders will get executed at listing price whatever discovered but those orders indirectly affecting listing price also....
Just wish that you has started your post with .." don''t panic .. don''t sell ... keep holding as the company is good ... etc" as your word carries some weight in these forums. I myself look forward to reading what you and the other experienced members post.
Keep up the good work.
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August 25, 2021 12:19:26 AM
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same like i mentioned in nuvoco, here also listing price is the low price of the day..... so whoever didnt put very low price sell orders in pre-opening is saved from loss as their orders wont have executed...
Nuvoco Monday ko list hoga. Iski listing dekhna interesting hoga. Agar iski listing positive hoti hai ya issue price pe hoti hai to Aptus ka Tuesday ke listing ke liye accha hoga. Thodi negetivity kam hogi aur Market sentiment bhi change hoga. I wish Tuesday tak market bhi recover kar jaye..ummeed pe duniya hai.
Thank you very much for your advice .... Arjun sir GR Infra and Clean science Target and Time frame pls ..... Also holding Glenmark life science after your recommendation sir .....
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August 12, 2021 8:11:19 PM
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Arjun sir GR Infra and Clean science Target and Time frame pls ..... Also holding Glenmark life science after your recommendation sir ..... Sir aptus value housing Tamara khva thi apply karyu che ..alloted 11 ac ...su Karvu joi e sir.... Pls reply Arjun sir
Sir premium to gir gya hy aptus ka ..what to do on Monday ....I hv allotted more than 11 account after your recommendation ....pls share your strategy ......
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August 21, 2021 2:17:39 PM
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@keval gujrati: better to relax , dont be panic, dont get afraid from other negative comments....and keep holding your shares and dont put low price sell orders in pre opening.... if all retailers will follow this and dont rush for panic selling, it wont go on much discount on listing day and may trade near or above ipo price
@lokes, I remember you told the same in Car trade IPO also. I know that you are doing that for goodness of the members in this forum. But it might not applicable for all the IPOs as seen from past few days. See Cartrade with good GMP has listed at discount and it has closed at ~ (-8%) of issue price not sure how much more it will go down. So for Aptus IPO I don''t think this don''t panic strategy gonna work and it will definitely lists at discount and share price may go further down by closing time I feel it''s better If the people here sell atleast near to issue price and be safe with minor loss.
@MintIndian, yes someone has to be to buy if want to sell. But to make profit it has to recover and reach the issue price first that takes some time instead sell near to issue price and invest in good companies with better returns.
Have you got alloted in this IPO? Do you hold if it lists at discount and closes around ~ (-10%) of the issue price?
@ Vini, Yes I have 2 lots. My opinion is you should not apply in IPO just for listing gain, if can''t bear 10-20% loss. No intended insult but everyone is weeping like a child since Windlas listing, abusing others. Regarding still holding after 10% fall- yes, I have ability to stomach 10-20 % loss. My risks are calculated. I can bear 100% loss of amount, otherwise would not apply in any IPO. I NEVER put the money that I immediately require in IPOs to take listing gain, hoping to move it in large cap or FD later on. My asset allocation is intact even after miniscule debt return over 2-3 years. That is the money I dont intend to lose. Just playing here with minimal amount. If many battles are fought, there may be win or loss. My intention is win should be more than lose.
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August 22, 2021 7:01:31 PM
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@ipovini: in cartrade, i told to hold after listing in discount...before listing i didnt commented anything that it wont go down etc etc.... but obviously its just my appeal/thought in aptus so that if all retailers dont panic and wont sell much then it may not go down much but since in practical it is not possible that everyone do not sell etc so it will affect the price.....i mean just by my saying people wont stop selling.... and if good gmp cartrade/windlass listed in dicount then it doesnt reflect that aptus will also list in discount , each script is different and each day is different in market which no one can predict....i hope you are aware recently many scripts without having good gmp and subscription which did well during listing and later....
@lokes, Yes agree recently some of the scripts without having good GMP and less subscription delivered very good return. As many says Sona comstar is one among them and I am one of the beneficiary of it but it had some positive vibes in this forum and outside but I don''t see the same in aptus.
Let''s see what will be the listing price and how it performs later....
even I think listing may be in discount considering the eroded sentiments in overall market... But this is a company which is a proven success and growing at extraordinary rates.. even promoter holding is 72% after ipo so definitely that counts
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August 21, 2021 2:10:35 PM
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@cautious: nothing is confirm....let it list first.....then will see 315 or what price during listing day....
Alloted 346 shares. Looking forward for the listing day. Whatever happens going long. Will average it out, if scrip lists below -10%. I hope retailers won''t sell in panic. GMP as of today seems to be nil.
389.1. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
August 21, 2021 1:51:06 PM
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As you said , this is very important : "I hope retailers won''''t sell in panic" but it doesnt happens since may people on this forum itself keep making them afraid also to book loss and get out soon
It will list on Monday ,Book profit/Loss on opening otherwise situation will be repeated as in Cartrade . CarTrade also book loss on Monday opening otherwise it will repeat history of Krisna and Glanmark .Currently small cap are down ,it will come up shortly but only real fundamental stocks , not currently listed ipos . This is free advice and and no one is invited for this to follow .Do not neglect facts and try to digest .
Off Topic:- I want to gift few shares to another person. How much time it takes to get shares transferred through CDSL easiest? One DP is Nextbillion ( GROWW) another Zerodha.
The one who owns zerodha account can open an account on groww for free. Transfer will be easier once account is activated and it takes only 2 hrs to complete the transaction if you place transaction request before 6 pm on cdsl easiest facility. You have to open the groww account. Register the sender account on cdsl EASIEST and add boid of the receiver as trusted account... easiest registration takes 24 hrs to complete. Transfer takes place from Monday to Friday on working days only. The sender should have 15.93 rs in his/her demat account to deduct for dp charges.
@ Monster, @ Rajeev, Thank you. @Suddh hindi, I think cant transfer as shares of Aptus are frozen before listing. Also cant transfer on Sat and Sunday. I dont know after how much time an allotted IPO shares can be transferred to another demat? If anyone has the answer, please tell.
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August 21, 2021 10:04:28 AM
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where is our top overrated ipo gurus like egaleyes ? market high rehta hai to predicition and estimates kafi aate hai lekin down market me najar nahi aate logo ko motivate karne ke liye unke estimates leke .
You have to differentiate bad company and good campany. Car trade has justone portal and this type of company takes a long way which is aptus right now. This is truth aptus is not cheaper but also not costly. As far as listing is concerned I think is near to price both side around 20
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August 21, 2021 12:08:45 AM
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346 KA BUYER Hai.at present.sleep Tight Don''t worry..Daar k Aage jeet Hai
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August 21, 2021 12:10:46 AM
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August 21, 2021 12:05:28 AM
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-5 Buyer Aptus.
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August 21, 2021 12:05:58 AM
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When people are closely following their IPO stock, they rarely look at what Nifty is doing.
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August 20, 2021 6:18:27 PM
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CarTrade...Which enjoyed 10-15% GMP itself tumbled on listing, now imagine how the future listings of Aptus etc will be which hardly even saw 5% GMP with confidence. Hope it lists above 330 π
@sdz ... What is the point in being negative now ? As was iterated on the CarTrade Forum ... the market is supreme. We can''t predict what the market will do on Monday.
It could list either positive or negative, but what''s the point in writing that CarTrade crashed and burned ... so this will too. I''m saying all this with respect. Don''t want to bomb and abuse the gurus/experts like the CT forum witnessed today.
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August 20, 2021 6:57:19 PM
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@MK...I applied in Aptus IPO even though GMP was low and now got 178 Aptus shares allotment in these bad conditions. I''m just posting what''s going on my mind and hoping it''ll list atleast above 330 so less loss and not crash as Aptus has far low expectations than CarTrade from beginning. Dont take it as if I''m wishing it should list in discount. If i say i wish it should list above 400 will sound crazy
@sdz I understood your intent. My post actually stemmed from what I saw in the other forum... Miniscule loss dekh ke many ppl lost their senses. While I''m a new member on this forum, have been investing for decades and have seen it all... These things don''t faze me... ( I had invested in the RPower IPO too π) But I don''t wish that any negative statement by someone who''s posts are eagerly monitored by others as yours are... Is taken in the wrong sense and the forum gets diluted. Hope you understood what I''m saying.
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August 20, 2021 8:46:02 PM
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Hi MK. Yes understood your point but it is beneficial to discuss according to the current market conditions. Last 1 year, we discussed right here about how high listing profits will be π and now it''s different scenario and discussion should be accordingly whether to exit early, apply or avoid etc. I''m into stocks for only one and a half decade and witnessed 2-3 market cycles
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August 20, 2021 8:59:57 PM
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Don''t worry just hold for few days even if it''s listing below ipo rate.. if you check entire year listing very few are running below listing rate like Kalyan Jewellers otherwise less response ipo like Gland pharma, Angel Brooking, Sola BLW, Zometo etc... Have given great returns.. nobody can predict the organisation future without one or two quarters results announcement. Just keep patience aptus fundamentally good company no issue for long term hold.