134. sbipo| Link| Bookmark|
December 6, 2021 11:22:30 AM
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@lokes, Though u have indicated that u would be applying in hni or retail,r u really applying in this issue,mera nan to nahin kar raha hain lekin still asking for guidance,gmp may vanish till listing, Thanks
133. CSK| Link| Bookmark|
December 6, 2021 10:31:06 AM
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@KDKing- Very info brother. How Pan number I can apply for minor? Can I apply IPO for Minor and my self same time?
PAN is a must for a minor Demat account, you can apply for a minor pan from "onlineservices nsdl com" website, you need to send the physical form to your local pan card office.
U can apply pan for minor anytime... U also can open dmat account in minor''s name and apply ipo.... But it must b risky as u could not sell any share in minor''s Dmat account till his/her achieved 18 years.
133.3. krupa| Link| Bookmark|
December 7, 2021 9:08:45 AM
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Open minor ac in Prostock Usme direct sale kar sakte he
@Raj Bhartiya, It''s not like that. I am using my daughter''s minor demat in prostocks account for more than 2 years. I am buying and selling in the account for 2 years. There is no issue at all. But once she reach 18, this account will be freezed. I have to close the account and apply for a new major demat account. Thats the only issue. Otherwise you can use the minor''s demat account for transactions (buying and selling).
@CSK, First apply for PAN number in NSDL website. Then open a minor''s bank account in any bank (i have account in ICICI Youngstar account). Then apply for the Demat account using the PAN and Bank account (I am using Prostock, which is the only leading broker providing minor''s account without any hastle.). Then do the transactions in that account. But remember, for income tax filing, either the father or mother needs to add the P&L of minor transactions in to their income and file it in IT department.
Remember once members/brokers used to govern stock exchanges.
Anand Rathi had done scam in colgate scrip when he was President of BSE. After that SEBI imposed rule, than no broker can be director / govern stock exchange.
He collected internal data (using his position as president) of scrip COLGATE depth (Market picture or F5) and he found out that there are huge quantity available at selling stop loss. He put buy order at same low price and sold such quantity so that it will trigger stop loss. And he took undue advantage of his position as President of BSE. That time stock market was not having such volume so he gathered data and did this misused for personal gain.
Now you can apply in his company''s IPO after considering his past and future, and his intentions (neeyat)
All the Best/ Be Safe / Take calculated decisions .
If storry is true means he is a smart person and will lift his share price by hook or crook. So every one will get benefitted. Means to save his image in market he won''t let this stock below issue price. Rest everything is business.
Such hook-or-crook promoters eventually go the Rana Kapoor way & drag down the organization for short-term gains.
Hence high standards of Corporate Governance is very important. Or else by hook-or-crook they will cook-the-books and you will think that the company is doing well.
AR (ex-president of BSE) reminds me of Bernie Madoff who was the chairman of Nasdaq.
That must make investors respect them even more. Like the way people loved and respected Robin Hood during his infamous days. They robbed the wealth hidden deep inside the deepest abyss of the exchanges run by the wealthy. Why? Only to make the poor customers who entrusted their wealth to them, rich.
I have pan card and aadhaar card for my minor kid. I want to know which bank allows netbanking access to apply for IPO for minor and which DP allows to buy / sell shares for minor
I don''t think we can open minor''s account in SBI through Yono. I am visiting SBI branch for minor account but so much drama. Still looking for better bank to open minor account. Any suggestions?
Worst case, i will go with HDFC bank where i have account but they need to maintain balance of 5000 and 1000 SI for 12 months.
May be. Not sure. These people mislead us. I clearly asked that guy and he said sir it will be available. SBI account (Pehla Kadam) web site says - ATM, Net banking, Debit card Passbook everything. But at bank they say nothing is available except passbook.
That''s why we need to know if someone can guide us. Many people have opened minor''s account and using it. We need facility to transfer back account to parents bank if IPO allotted so that amount can be reused.
130.6. K.Atar| Link| Bookmark|
December 4, 2021 10:53:37 PM
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You need to open the account digitally in sbi yono (pahla kadam), after that a visit is required to complete face kyc and collect your card.
If its not working for you check for ICICI Bank Young Stars Savings Account, see if it suits your requirement.
btw you can transfer shares from minor''s account to your account by "EASIEST".
bank of baroda is allow 3rd party ASBA application? if any one using ban of baroda 3rd party ASBA please guide or which bank is give net banking for minor bank account?
@NKJ - Yes I have my account with HDFC Bank only. I checked with branch manager and he internally checked and confirmed that minor account can be opened but netbanking wont be provided. Still please check at your end and let me know the outcome.
Guy told me that internet banking is available for minor account under you customer id. Means, I think minor''s account will be added under my customer id and i will be able to see details online. Not sure if I can transfer funds (NEFT) from minor account or not.
These people don''t tell exact information. I will try calling my RM and cross check again.
Join minor as second holder in SBI and smothly apply ipo by SBI yono lite app in minor name sell on listing day at prostocks apps of single name of minor after registering easiest on cdsl apps and generate Tpin for trade. Its all processes may take 10 to 15 days.
Don''t waste your time with ICICI for minor account.
I have multiple accounts with ICICI but they harassed us badly for opening minors account. They will keep talking to you on phone but will not do anything. Do not waste your time with ICICI bank and keep researching for better alternatives.
So much comments but still can''t find a perfect answer.
130.20. K.Atar| Link| Bookmark|
December 6, 2021 10:13:50 AM
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Not every branch and RM can be the same, @NKJ & @Enjoyjack. if icici opens the account then go for it, because not many banks are offering full service. And you have many ipos in line in December. Take advantage of that.
Minor demat + bank account perfect combination 👇 If minor 10+ years old Bank account: SBI pehli UDAAN (ATM + NetBanking Facility) you can apply ipo using UPI OR NetBanking ASBA. 2nd option Axis Bank.
IF Minor below 10 years old DO NOT OPEN SBI PEHLA KADAM ACCOUNT ITS NO USE. Axis icici are also of no us if minor below 10 years.
open Minor account with yesbank with UG parent account. From yesbank NetBanking asba you can apply for IPO with blocking funds directly from minor account.
Demat + Trading account with PROSTOCKS, DO NOT WASTE TIME WITH ANY OTHERS BROKER FOR MINOR DEMAT ACCOUNT.
As per my feeling, this should run positively in future. Because if Own Script not able to give return then who will take their PMS service? So, First Company should create Wealth for own Share Holder then someone have put trust on their service.
Still not sure to apply in this. The GMP also isnt trustworthy here. Look at what happened to Tarsons..... NII 180x, Retail 10x, Even QIB 100+x. GMP all through remained between 25-35%. N now in one week after listing its flirting with discount to IPO Price. AR GMP hasnt risen n infact sellers probably more active now. Whatever subs it has seen till now could well be by AR itself making its clients subcribe to the issue. If its listings hits the bear hurdle, could well end up in discount listing. Guess will hae to wait Monday till 2.30PM to decide whether to jump in or not or will wait for expert opinions here to decide. Rategain and probably MapmyIndia also in picture to affect the decision.
Bro Tarsons moved below ipo price because it was not listed above HNI cost that was Rs 875. So, at this level there was heavy selling from HNI''s as they were hedging there positions. And according to you, if AR clients itself subscribing then it is positive for us...because AR shall be insists its clients for holding thier positions for atleast mid-term..
Most of the HNI''s would have carried 1-2 lots and I believe HNI''s have the appetite to hold a scrip in case of a downturn. I think it was the combination of retailers panicking, selling from QIB''s and not enough demand on listing day that lead to the abysmal listing of the stock.
With every passing hour, my decision about applying in AR is receding. The GMP is in downturn. Sellers active mostly. Morover better IPOs r on the horizon. Don''t want to get into a probable flat listing share. Still Monday 2.30 will be decision time.. maybe could apply in retail if subs nos and GMP recovers significantly.
@ObserverEye Your calculations on below seems to be incorrect. can you pls check again. I don''t see improvement in allotment even after 20 lots. This will help many people like me.
Continuing with Latent analytics allotments, If one shifts from retail to HNI, , if we exclude HNIs who applied for 14-20 lots, then the ratio sees an improvement and 1 out of every 3 applicants got the allotment.
@Ram Kumar Sir, The calculations are correct. But you have to see that in context to the post. Plz do not generalise it. Every IPO will have different parameters as all of them have different set of numbers and will have different results. In the context of latent, para you have cited cannot be seen in isolation. The only conclusion is that the higher no of lots you apply in HNI, the better chances you will have for confirmed allotment (as known to everyone), so the ones applying for more than 20 lots will certainly have better chances than those applying for 14 lots and so on. This is what I have highlighted in the post. I will explain the calculations. In Latent IPO there 4310 HNI applicants out of total 19425 were alloted shares (overall ratio of 1:4.5). Now there were 7238 applicants for 14-20 lots out of which only 125 were alloted shares. If u deduct these applicants from the total then the ratio of HNI allotees: HNI applicants becomes 4185:12187 i.e ~1:3. This doesnt mean that if you had applied for 21 lots the ratio would be 1:3. Certainly not. As is well known ratio increases gradually so in Latent we see the ratio for those applying for 69 lots was 1:15, for 70 lots applicants it was 1:12 n so on. The other imp point was that in issues where there is 10% Retail quota like latent, applying in any HNI quota (even 14 lots) is usually better than in applying in retail. But in highly oversubscribed issues where there is 35% retail quota (Like Tarsons or even Tega), applying in retail has much better chances than in applying for lower HNI lots 14-20 or even higher. Eg. Tarsons retail ratio was 1:7.5 while for those applying for 20 HNI lots the ratio was 1:9. So in such issues as Tega, if you are applying for HNI quota then better apply for >20 lots or for even higher lots. If you cant then better apply for just 1 lot in retail that is expected to have better chances of allotment. Moreover always make your own calculations and find out what works best for you in each issue. Hope this clarifies. Cheers
@ObserverEye Thank you so much for explaining in detail. Now i understood the context. It is more beneficial to apply in HNI category in ipos like sigachi. It is better to apply in HNI if retail is 10% for better allocation chances as you explained.
For those interested in applying, apply only if qib crosses 50x. This stock does not look like a candidate for listing gains, except in a case it gets high subscription.
122. Gopinathji| Link| Bookmark|
December 6, 2021 7:35:47 AM
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ये वाला राठी साब का 50-50 वाला आफर हैं, ठीक ठाक चलेगा। मार्किट की कंडीशन पे ज्यादा निर्भर हैं। GMP पर ज्यादा भरोसा ना करे। लोगो के पैसों का हेरफेर का धंधा है राठी साब का, डायमंड की खान लेके नही बैठे हैं। अपना विवेक प्रयोग करो। बाम साब की सलाह हैं, माननी है तो मानो।