it is very expensive, going forward , PE contraction only, no more PE expansion. hence one can buy in secondary market, lot of specialty chemicals stocks are available. more over in hyper inflation environment, net margins would be contracted. buy post listing like Rainbow, it touched 400+ later inching towards 500
abc ji, if you are asking about subscription number of QIB can trust or not, then ans is yes we can trust subscription if they have applied at higher price band. Also in this aether company pre-ipo placement of total around 300+ cr shares are already happened two times in recent time at same price of Rs642 to few QIBs. so this factor also we can trust.
But even QIB subscription numbers are good, sometime they sell on listing, this part we can't trust.
114.4. abc xyz| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 2:53:29 PM
IPO Guru (1400+ Posts, 1400+ Likes)
Thanks Ganeshji & KD king.
114.5. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 3:00:31 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
there is no surety for anything....it all depends what they will do during/after listing. In rainbow it was 38X in QIB and it listed in good discount and kept going down later, in venus, it was around 12X, that also going down. And some with lower numbers also performed well.
hello everyone i am not able too decide the sentiments of this ipo itss looking good side by side after looking at all your comments i feel like i should avoid it please can you help me decide. Also i have seen in many ipo that on the last day the subscription increases suddenly what do you think it may happen here or not.
110.1. jay here| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 2:34:37 PM
IPO Mentor (800+ Posts, 700+ Likes)
If you can bear loss upto 10%(approx1500) you may apply and take a chance of some gains although it is fully priced ipo. Now a days there is no certainity for listing gains, a loss making company Delhivery lists with premium and Rainbow debuted with discount even though it has good fundamentals+good QIB response.So simply ask yourself if you can bear that much loss apply and take a chance of listing gains or else avoid :) Happy Investing!
It seems that QIB movement has started but HNI are still thinking to go for it or not. Or as usual will apply after 3 pm so that retailers are kept out to apply.
107.1. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
May 25, 2022 6:34:40 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
which pundit? any article link? In my opinion, if nifty keep going down then it will take support around 15400-500 levels or final support at 15100 levels. Tough going below 15K.
I completely agree with @lokes here. 15500 is solid support for now.
If it breaks 12400, then the real problem starts as it was the high just before the Covid crash till 7600. Anyways we are down approx 15% from the recent high of 18,600. Not hoping to break 12400 at any cost.
107.4. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
May 25, 2022 7:05:29 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@ShiningShiva: Bear market means 20% down from high, means below 14880 around, not like u mentioned below 12400.
Btw I got to read below article somewhere, posting here for info purpose:
According to a recent note being circulated on social media, attributed to a foreign brokerage firm, the Nifty’s 15 percent fall over the past seven months is the seventh longest decline of the 19 corrections of over 10 percent over the past 30 years.
Although technically the fall of over 15 percent does not make the present correction a bear market, it does feel like one. The time correction, increased volatility and relentless selling by foreign investors give the feeling of a bear market.
India has had four bear markets in the past 25 years that have fallen more than 20 percent from their peaks. The last bear market was in 2020 when the pandemic caused the indices to fall by 39 percent and it lasted for less than three months. The pace of the fall during the pandemic was three times that of the 2008-09 global financial meltdown.
The sharp pandemic-led bear market had no precedent, which explains the panic in the market. Thankfully, a coordinated effort by central banks to pump in liquidity helped the speedy revival.
Bear markets tend to last longer than corrections, with the longest bear market for the S&P 500 during the Great Depression lasting for 2.8 years. Since the 1950s, the longest bear market was the dot-com bubble in the early 2000s lasting for 2.1 years.
Only time will tell how the present correction will end. Markets can hover around the current levels for a few more months before moving higher, or they can enter bear market territory by falling more than 20 percent from their mid-October 2021 highs.
In case the market falls, the report mentions the Nifty going down to 14,500 levels. This has been arrived at by extrapolating previous falls. In the six previous long declines, the lows in the first seven months equated to a median of two-thirds of the eventual price damage. Overlaying this would give a target of 14,500 for the Nifty, of a 21 percent fall from the top.
A lot would depend on how inflation behaves, especially in the US market. Though the Indian government has taken steps to bring down inflation by reducing taxes on fuel and fiddling with import and export taxes, the previous four bear markets show that the Indian market’s recovery from a bear market is dependent on what happens in the international market.
Unless inflation is controlled at the global level and interest rates start declining, markets are likely to be under pressure. Markets may de-couple intermittently, but when it comes to bear and bull market extremes, they are normally in sync with each other.
In the Indian markets, the steps taken by the Indian government may nudge domestic investors to pump more money into the markets, but unless the global markets revive, Indian markets may linger between a correction and a bear market.
9300? Hah! They must do a mandatory reverse stock split on all the NIFTY stocks to make it 18600 again. 9300 can't make it look like a 5 Trillion economy. No way!
107.6. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
May 25, 2022 7:24:16 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 2100+ Likes)
Market is moving range bound. Strong support at 15700-15800 : Took support three or four times in recent past. Strong resistance at 16400-16500 and heavy profit booking happening at this level. Market has already factored in inflation and expected rate hike by Fed & RBI and it can only jitter more if hike happen beyond expectations. It has also factored in Chinese lockdown and things are not getting worsen in China as of now. Russia-Ukraine is also factored in( hopefully Russia doesn't make fresh attack on Scandinavian countries), Recent tape leak of Taiwan invasion plan by China is biggest threat and if this happens then market will see its one of worst fall. FII selling continue as usual but DII are trying to absorb well.
Market all eyes is on GDP data of USA which is due this week. Last quarter was negative and if two consecutive quarters are negative then it's confirmation of recession in the economy.
We should not be too much worried and focus on Support and resistance and we should take action as either of support or resistance broken and any event happen like GDP data comes in USA(if it comes negative then recession confirmed), Fed/RBI stance, geopolitical development etc.
No one can predict future events. All these words Pandit or experts are myths. Please don't believe all these.
107.9. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 12:19:38 AM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 2100+ Likes)
@Dinesh ji Absolutely agree to you. There is no bottom or sky for market. Market runs on economy in long term and in short term it looks for events and sentiments. Then how to know where this market will go? Look for demand and supply from chart and option data.
Everyone needs to see history carefully, after every correction, market gives new highs, we may see big zigzag but final direction is upper side, SO DON'T PANIC, ITS NORMAL.. Note:- FII is selling but DII and Retails are buying. Numbers(history) proves that, on heavy FII buying, market never made new highs, new highs created only because of heavy buying by DII and retailers
That word 'history' makes me nervous all the time. I'm of the belief that a person who manages the supreme bank of a nation should at least be a commerce graduate. History guy managing that is not coherent. It's more like allowing an electrician or a TV mechanic to do complex heart surgeries.
@ Ipobaby ...do you mean a chai-pakoda wala cant prepare pizzas ....??
107.16. lokes| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 12:26:30 PM
IPO Guru (4400+ Posts, 5100+ Likes)
@StockTerminator: Your observation regarding FII is not correct in last line. Always when FII buys market moves higher as seen in so many previous high made like 11700/12400, (DII sells usually then) and always when FII start selling market goes down, as seen many times in earlier and current correction from 7 months, no matter how much buying done by DII/retailers etc.
107.17. Jetha Lal| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 12:29:10 PM
IPO Guru (1000+ Posts, 2100+ Likes)
@IPOBABY ji Fed chief (Jerome Powell) has degree of Bachelor of Arts in Politics likewise RBI Chief is has graduation degree in History but later he became IAS(you need knowledge of everything to become this).
In life degree doesn't matter a lot(especially in india where how nonsense is our syllabus) and most important thing is experience where Fed chief was career investment banker and RBI Chief managed portfolio such as Principal Secretary (Industries), Special Commissioner (Revenue), Secretary (Revenue), Secretary Commercial Taxes at state level (Tamilnadu) and and as Union Economic Affairs Secretary, Union Revenue Secretary, Union Fertilizers Secretary, Special secretary in the Department of Economic Affairs of the Ministry of Finance and as a joint secretary in the Department of Expenditure of the Ministry of Finance in the Indian government.
Disclaimer: I am Commerce graduate and I can say that it didn't add any value in my life.
What can I say? We all now know chai-pakodas can do anything. Even use technology, products and ideas, several years before they become available to public.
Correct! So it's high time the educational barriers be removed for all type of jobs and posts. We can also close colleges and UNIs for teaching all non-sensical syllabus and a few brats in my locality who needlessly beat up innocuous teenagers can be given a chance to serve in the army.
106.3. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 11:04:49 AM
IPO Guru (2000+ Posts, 1700+ Likes)
Why punish HNI? A lockin is understood for Anchors as they get what they want ahead of line in bulk so they should take some risk Even QIBs apply as equal to HNIs getting pro rata allotment so lockin for tradable share is difficult to understand
company ko 10% hi lena tha lgta dump krna chlu krdia now ride suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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May 26, 2022 11:48:50 AM
IPO Mentor (500+ Posts, 300+ Likes)
Aether industry: Incorporated n 2013, its a sole manufacturer for advance intermediates such has 4MEP, MMBC, T2E, OTBN, NODG and Bifenthrin alcohol and specialty chemical DVL. One of the largest manufacturers in the world by volume for 4MEP, T2E, NODG and HEEP. 2 manufacturing sites in Surat. huge Growth in assets, revenue and pat. Strong Management. Coming at Pe of 72 of 9MFY 22 annualised. I would like to avoid this issue as per current market conditions. But as per me, its a portfolio stock. will buy after listing. Thanks.
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May 26, 2022 11:36:16 AM
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dear lokes,avenue,M.Ravi and others please give your opinion on this IPO
Where is Josh? it's with @ A K Sharma ji,😆. Bhai aap log apply karo aur 2-3 quarter hold karo. Agar accha performance raha to aur spared money raha to FOMO la kar buy kar lenge. Tab tak all the best.
100. abc xyz| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 11:33:52 AM
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It's a very high time for all Retailers to preserve the capital as the Market is entering in the Bear market. It's very easy to open the new Demat account and applying the ipo. But if you analyse the ipo history of last 1 month which is very alarming. Everyday market is going down & midcap stocks are getting cheaper & cheaper. Main reason is liquidity is drying. Till now FII was draining the fund but now DII is also joining with them. Hence it's very important to protect our fund. I am not talking in regards with Aether but this is general feeling looking to the market conditions.
Can anybody confirm how much FIIs investing in IPO's. We all know that they are taking money away from markets, in turn hurting their current investments but they have also been ingesting money in IPOs. Would like to know if their historical is same or numbers are higher or lower than historicals.
Thanks in advance.
98.1. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 11:05:41 AM
IPO Guru (2000+ Posts, 1700+ Likes)
Check basis of allotment. FIIs are not investing as trend but FPIs do in some issues
For me, I would not apply any ipo in bear market where price is too much high. No listing gain. Infact we have to bear loss. The fresh breakout of nifty on upper hand is 16550 closing basis. Than the scenario will change and also for primary market. The listing also will be positive. People earn money. But in bear market I would avoid to apply expensive ipo.
97.1. arunARUN| Link| Bookmark|
May 26, 2022 11:00:07 AM
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