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178. bangalore king |   Link |  Bookmark | February 26, 2011 6:56:21 PM (400 Posts)
Very few retail investors are familiar with the corporate debt market and they can be forgiven if they are left wondering about the reason for this excitement.

There is adequate reason for the excitement with the grey market quoting fancy premiums for these bonds. Per-application premium being offered is Rs320 for the minimum subscription amount of Rs10,000 and to the extent of Rs18,000 per application for the maximum subscription under the retail category of Rs500,000. In this issue a retail investor (somebody who invests up to Rs500,000) in the 15-year bond gets a higher interest rate of 9.95% as compared to the other investors who only get 9.45%. The earlier 15-year SBI bond is being quoted at a market yield of around 9.40%.

Since this 15-year bond issue has slightly less favourable terms, the market is likely to expect a return of around 9.50% from this bond.

Given that scenario, it is likely that the bonds will be quoted at a premium when they are listed. (See box) Depending on the interest rate expectations in the market, the issue is expected to list at a premium of around 3.5%

In any case there is very little downside risk. Even if the Union Budget increases market expectations for interest rates significantly, the expectation from the 15-year bond is unlikely to exceed its coupon rate of 9.95% and hence, at worst, the investor will be able to recoup his capital back when the bond gets listed on the market. In any case for a long-term investor it is an excellent debt investment with the largest bank in the country.
So what can you do yourself?

It is a “must invest in” issue whether you are looking for a short-term gain (sell immediately on listing) or a really long-term high quality debt issue.

The issue is on till February 28, 2011.

However, since the allotment will be on first-come-first-served basis, it is not very clear if you will get any allotment if you apply for these bonds on the last day.

Check the oversubscription position before making the application. If you are unable to participate this time, look out for the next issue from SBI.
177. nifty fifty |   Link |  Bookmark | February 26, 2011 6:13:21 PM
as not subscribed 75% till yet, 4000crore came in retail, required 7500crore.
176. nifty fifty |   Link |  Bookmark | February 26, 2011 6:11:29 PM
Those who applied after 24th feb. will not get any allotment in sbi bond
175. Vivekbhauka |   Link |  Bookmark | February 26, 2011 11:51:36 AM
sbi 9.75% bond will list at 10275-10325
9.95% will list at 10500-10550
174. Vivekbhauka |   Link |  Bookmark | February 26, 2011 11:47:35 AM
sbi listing---

hence 9.75% will list at 10275-10350

9.95% bond will list at 10500-10600
173. Vivekbhauka |   Link |  Bookmark | February 26, 2011 11:35:59 AM
SBI BONDS----TOTAL SUMMARY..

SBI SERIES 1 BOND AT 10200.SERIES 2 AT 10450.
SERIES 1 AT 9.2%.....SERIES 2 AT 9.5%......

PER MONET INTEREST ACCRUED IS ABOUT 80 RUPEE FOR 4 MONTH IN BOTH.
HENCE REAL VALUE FOR SERIES 1 IS (10200-320)9800+ACCRUED INTEREST OF 320=10200 CMP...
REAL VALUE OF SERIES 2 IS (10450-320) 10130+ACCRUED INTEREST OF 320=10450 CMP

THIS IS HOW CMP IS DERIVED.....THE YEILD COMES TO AROUND 9.42 %....THATS WHY 9.25 COUPEN SERIES 1 IS TRADED AT DISCOUNT.

IN SHORT THE CURRENT YEILD FOR SBI IS 9.42% ADJUSTED FOR RISK OF THE COMPANY ETC ETC....EVERY CO WILL HAVE DIFFERENT YEILD ACCORDING TO ITS CREDIT RATING.FOR SBI ITS 9.42 % NOW.

NOW TAKING YEILD AT 9.42 %.....THE 9.95% SERIES WILL LIST AT 10550.
AND 9.75% SERIES WILL LIST AT 10320...TO MAKE A YEILD OF 9.42 %...

IM TAKING YEILD OF 9.42 AS SERIES 1 ND 2 ALREADY LISTED ARE TRADING AT AROUND 9.42 YEILD AS BASE.

SO 9.75% SERIES WILL LIST AT 10320...AND 9.95% SERIES WILL LIST AT 10500-10600 SURELY.....HAPPY INVESTING
172. Sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | February 26, 2011 11:08:58 AM (900+ Posts)
Ken shah,
Industrial commodities & OIL will go down.Agri & precious metals will stay up.
171. Ken shah |   Link |  Bookmark | February 26, 2011 8:41:48 AM
shreedherji u mentioned in ur comment us market will crash please give detail views on it .do u think commodities price will be crashed. which commodities.agri commo. or precious metals . i think agri commo .up in coming months. please share ur views.
170. Sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 10:25:51 PM (900+ Posts)
Chemcho Sir,
I said flight to safety not fight,When markets crash & people become risk averse they go for bonds which give assured returns.Both are simple interest only .One more thing 9.25 will trade at discount becos prevailing rates are 9.25 & 9.5 is at 1.8 percent premium.One more thing why is the difference between 9.25 & 9.5 so large becos still 9.5 interest rate is not reached.
Anyhow I feel these bonds are excellent bets for long term & may give returns as high as 20 percent in 2 yrs time when Interest rates go fairly southwards.I intend to keep a fair amount of my money locked in fixed deposit as it will save my capital & give good appreciation when US markets again crash(I am 99 percent sure US markets will crash taking commodities along with them)
169. vas nat |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 9:40:18 PM (200+ Posts)
SBI allows over subscription of 10000 crores against 1000 crores alloted for retail.Current subscription as per one of the boarders msg was somewhere around 3000-4000 crores yesterday and in all probability would be subscribed finally to the tune of 50000-6000 crores. i.e 5-6 times over subscription and therefore everyone will be alloted proportionally.

Even tomorrow I heard the applications can be submitted and monday 28th is the last date. In case the subscription suddenly crosses 10,000 crores which in all likelyhood may not happen, then your application may not be considered.
168. stiffknot |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 9:32:57 PM
If I apply tomorrow, will I be able to get any allotment? I read that this offer is on First Come basis and the offer looks to have oversubscribed by 3 plus times.
167. vas nat |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 9:32:21 PM (200+ Posts)
SBI Bonds

The market turn over of N1 & N2 bonds are hust 18-20 lakhs. Is there a possibility of some govt/public sector bank mutual funds or institutions proping up the rate ahead of the new issue?

My suggestion would be to apply any excess cash available which is considerably safe compared to the prevailing equity market conditions.
166. vas nat |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 8:41:56 PM (200+ Posts)
Stiffknot

You may have to negotiate and inform them that other branches offer this. I got the offer after negotiations in Bajaj Capital, Coimbatore
165. Chem cho |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 8:24:16 PM
IPO Guru IPO Guru (2500+ Posts, 2700+ Likes)
SHEEDHAR SIR
THERE IS NO FIGHT AS YOU MENTIONED BUT TODAYS RATE OF SBI SERIES 1 BOND IS RS 10250 AND SBI SERIES 2 BOND IS RS 10500 AS YOU MENTIONED
BOTH THE BONDS WERE ISSUED IN OCT 2010 BOND SERIES 1& 2 IS INCLUSIVE OF INTEREST BONDS 2 ARE HAVING RS 100 PREMIUM AS TO MY CALCULATION BUT THAT IS DUE TO COMPOUND INTEREST IN SERIES 2 AND BOND 1 IS TRADING AT DISCOUNT OF RS 50 AS PER MY CALCULATION
SBI BOND 3 AND BOND SERIES 4 ARE SIMPLE INTEREST BONDS
PL LET ME KNOW IF MY CALCULATION IS WRONG FOR SBI BOND 1 AND SBI BOND 2
164. stiffknot |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 1:49:59 PM
Contacted Bajaj Capital Anna Nagar Chennai, they are not offering any incentive for SBI Bonds... Any brokers in Chennai offer any incentive??
163. Bj |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 1:02:00 PM
Guys,
Most of the brokers do not offer to the terminals to sell the bonds,you will have to call up your broker and they will place the order on your behalf.
162. vas nat |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 11:29:03 AM (200+ Posts)
Thanks GEM for the info. I am in touch with Bajaj capital. Other brokers insist on us becoming a franchise and that takes time.

They intially offered 0.45% and later revised thier offer.

Dear Boarders - This incentive seems attractive leaving off the Grey Market, Expected premium etc which are not very sure.
161. nifty fifty |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 11:25:08 AM
India is considering allowing new private sector banks, including by industrial houses, and a roadmap for the same could be announced in the annual Union Budget to be presented later this month.

While the formal and final guidelines would be announced by RBI on who should be allowed to set up new banks and what should be the terms and conditions for them, a roadmap on the subject could be announced in the Budget speech on February 28 by Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, sources added.

In his Budget speech last year, Mukherjee had said that there was a need for extending the geographic coverage of banks and improving access to banking services.

The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) is close to finalising the guidelines for entry of new banks in the private sector, based on its consultations with the government and various stakeholders, as also the feedback to its August 2010 discussion paper on the issue, sources in the know said.

Among the various options, the RBI is considering grant of licence for small banks for initial few years, which could be upgraded to full-fledged banking licences after the central bank is satisfied with their performance and fulfillment of certain criteria, sources said.

The guidelines would dwell upon issues like minimum capital for new banks and promoters contribution, minimum and maximum caps on on holding of promoters and others, foreign shareholding, business model for the new banks and whether industrial houses, NBFC (non-banking financial companies) could be allowed to run banks.

Among others, a number of corporate houses, including Anil Ambani-led Reliance group, the Aditya Birla group and the Religare group, have expressed interest in obtaining banking licences. A number of NBFCs and micro-finance institutions are also said to be interested in the banking business.

Mukherjee had said in his Budget speech in February 2010 that RBI was considering giving some additional banking licences to private sector players and NBFCs could also be considered, if they meet the RBI's eligibility criteria.

RBI has said the new licences were required since vast segments of population, especially underprivileged, have still no access to banking services.

Currently, India has 27 public sector banks, seven new private sector banks, 15 old private sector banks, 31 foreign banks, 86 regional rural banks, four local area banks, 1,721 urban cooperative banks, 31 state cooperative banks, and 371 district central co-operative banks.

The last time private sector entities were granted licence to commence banking operations in India was YES Bank in 2004 and Kotak Mahindra Bank a year earlier in 2003.

The conditions being mulled over to put on industrial houses include a diversified and transparent shareholding structure, financial sector presence of minimum 10 years, their track record of dealing with public deposits and their existing retail customer base.

Besides, the industrial houses could also be asked to ring-fence their various operations to safeguard their banking operations from risks associated with other businesses.

Besides, RBI is also mulling granting only retail banking license or a small bank licence for first five years as part of a dual-licensing regime.

At the same time, RBI could also put strict penalties for violations of its various guidelines.

Pursuant to this, RBI in its Annual Policy Statement in April 2010 said that it would prepare a discussion paper marshalling the international practices, the Indian experience as well as the extant ownership and governance guidelines for grant of new private sector banking licences.

The discussion paper put out for feedback on August 11, 2010 and thereafter the central bank also held discussions with various stakeholders from the industry, banks, NBFCs and MFIs, consultants and other entities.

Later in December 2010, the RBI made public the gist of comments received on its discussion paper and said that "the range of comments received has been very wide and does not indicate consensus on any of the issues."

(PTI)
Tags: budget 2011|private banks|finance minister pranab mukherjee|rbi
160. Ken shah |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 10:53:27 AM
shreedherji please give any script u think can give some gain in short term.
159. Sreedhar |   Link |  Bookmark | February 25, 2011 9:11:18 AM (900+ Posts)
Chemcho Sir,
Whenever there is a flight to safety Bonds are the best bet.Even when US crashed & people were dumping everything it was the bonds auctioned by Fed that saved the ship.9.5 bond is trading at 10505 as of now so why is there demand for that??? one more thing PM & Montek Singh have said Food inflation will come to single digits by the end of march & Overall inflation will be less than 7 percent at that time,My calculations also confirm it provided Govt will ensure there is no price rise in OIL & it has reasonably good fiscal deficit target .It will only increase the appeal of the bonds.Further more Out of 9000 cr received in the bond Issue around 5100 was provided by HNis & QIB that too for 9.45 bond that means more than 5 times demand for 9.45 .What will be the demand for 9.95 ?????
Finally historical peak of interest rates was 11 percent.Even if inflation does not come under control only 100 basis point increase is expected this year so rates will be near 10 at that point time.